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3 year(s) ago • 37333 views • 284 replies

Johan
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2 year(s) ago
Johan for the record I own a company that finances large government contracts.
Then you might recognize the muttering and not always overly positive feelings about compliance officers and auditors doing what they do. For the power trip of it, as part on a holy quest and mission from God or whatever their motivation might be. While hopefully being somewhat useful by doing what they do, according to some :-)
Mark Gilston
Mark Gilston
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2 year(s) ago
I'll help you with that. All of you, shut the fuck up! It's a fucking website that in reality, is fucking irrelevant. Jesus! Have a great day.
As my dear curmudgeonly friend Maggi used to say, "Don't tell me what kind of day to have." (-:
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Benoit Zenthner
Benoit Zenthner
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2 year(s) ago
Then you might recognize the muttering and not always overly positive feelings about compliance officers and auditors doing what they do. For the power trip of it, as part on a holy quest and mission from God or whatever their motivation might be. While hopefully being somewhat useful by doing what they do, according to some :-)
So you compare what we were doing here to running a company ? ... we are just members from a social experimentation base on BJJ rank, if you want to log out for one year and coming back, nothing tie you here, we are free to use it as THE CREATOR says one's "It's yours my childs"( or something like that 😅)

Maybe take some days off and come back with a fresh mind, it would be difficult to have so much pressure, it's not your job, don't take it so personal
Johan
JohanOP
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2 year(s) ago
So you compare what we were doing here to running a company ? ... we are just members from a social experimentation base on BJJ rank, if you want to log out for one year and coming back, nothing tie you here, we are free to use it as THE CREATOR says one's 'It's yours my childs'( or something like that 😅) Maybe take some days off and come back with a fresh mind, it would be difficult to have so much pressure, it's not your job, don't take it so personal
No, not running it. But being beltchecked I think should be equivalent to being (and accepting to be) subjected to thorough scrutiny according to clear set criteria, where you're responsible for providing the evidence and where everyone is treated equally - hopefully the financial auditor won't make up accusations of wrongdoings just because he didn't like the way you as a hobby judge scored his young nephews ping pong match the week before.

But there's clearly not much interest in making Beltchecker an institution for really checking belts according to strict criteria.
James Jones
James Jones
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2 year(s) ago
No, not running it. But being beltchecked I think should be equivalent to being (and accepting to be) subjected to thorough scrutiny according to clear set criteria, where you're responsible for providing the evidence and where everyone is treated equally - hopefully the financial auditor won't make up accusations of wrongdoings just because he didn't like the way you as a hobby judge scored his young nephews ping pong match the week before. But there's clearly not much interest in making Beltchecker an institution for really checking belts according to strict criteria.
Why don't you get a job at the airport doing TSA so you can thoroughly check everyone to your hearts desires.
Johan
JohanOP
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2 year(s) ago
Why don't you get a job at the airport doing TSA so you can thoroughly check everyone to your hearts desires.
Yup, checking things thoroughly is a bad thing! Got it!

(sorry for your bad experiences with the TSA - I hope they at least were gentle!)
James Jones
James Jones
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2 year(s) ago
Yup, checking things thoroughly is a bad thing! Got it! (sorry for your bad experiences with the TSA - I hope they at least were gentle!)
I once left a Mayan obsidian blade in my carry on luggage on accident when leaving Guatemala. The ones they used to cut the hearts out of people as a sacrifice.

Luckily I was wearing a national geographic shirt and hat and they didn't make a big deal out of it. Even let me on the plane with it.
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
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2 year(s) ago
But there's clearly not much interest in making Beltchecker an institution for really checking belts according to strict criteria.
I think that is the message of the whole drama


We can’t even agree on what BJJ really is or what actually constitutes a Black Belt in BJJ.

Try doing it without relying on the IBJJF criteria.
James Jones
James Jones
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2 year(s) ago
James I hope the full cavity search was enjoyable
Out of like 200 trips through security I've never really been searched hardly.
Johan
JohanOP
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2 year(s) ago
Out of like 200 trips through security I've never really been searched hardly.
So they are always gentle and search you softly? ;-P
Lux
Lux
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2 year(s) ago
How do people feel about having 3 options: Verify (Positive points) , Dispute (Negative points), Request for more evidence (no points)?
Johan
JohanOP
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2 year(s) ago
So now we're going after family too, despite not having cast a single downvote? How alpha of you, Benjamin Westrich! What a great human being, inspiration for your students and pride of your old instructors you are! What's the next step, after having some students join in on your extended downvoting? Going after my daughter on Instagram?

I'm sorry you can't downvote yourself for not even being promoted to your last degree by any human involvement, as I'm sure your true feelings is that not getting degrees from a physically present senior black belt is the real problem here.
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Timo Rissanen
Timo Rissanen
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2 year(s) ago
How do people feel about having 3 options: Verify (Positive points) , Dispute (Negative points), Request for more evidence (no points)?
After all this back and forth, this is the best idea so far.
James Jones
James Jones
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2 year(s) ago
After all this back and forth, this is the best idea so far.
I feel like the request more evidence is what everyone one else does except Johan.
Timo Rissanen
Timo Rissanen
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2 year(s) ago
So now we're going after family too, despite not having cast a single downvote? How alpha of you, Benjamin Westrich! What a great human being, inspiration for your students and pride of your old instructors you are! What's the next step, after having some students join in on your extended downvoting? Going after my daughter on Instagram? I'm sorry you can't downvote yourself for not even being promoted to your last degree by any human involvement, as I'm sure your true feelings is that not getting degrees from a physically present senior black belt is the real problem here.
Can you elaborate if someone actually went after your daughter or suggesting that someone might?

If former, the not cool at all.
Johan
JohanOP
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2 year(s) ago
Can you elaborate if someone actually went after your daughter or suggesting that someone might? If former, the not cool at all.
I was just wondering if that's Benjamin's next step. Downvoting my father, who has never cast a single downvote, he has already done. Despite Benjamin claiming about me "His profile was alerted to me when he downvoted me, otherwise I'd have zero reason to click on his name".
Benjamin Westrich
Benjamin Westrich
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2 year(s) ago
I was just wondering if that's Benjamin's next step. Downvoting my father, who has never cast a single downvote, he has already done. Despite Benjamin claiming about me 'His profile was alerted to me when he downvoted me, otherwise I'd have zero reason to click on his name'.
Why would your father's downvotes matter? They arent revenge votes, his promotion timeline is messed up and should be fixed. It's a legitimate problem.

It's weird you can admit he didn't downvote anyone and so they aren't revenge downvotes, but can't get from there to recognizing a problem you have. It will come to you eventually, I hope.
Benjamin Westrich
Benjamin Westrich
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2 year(s) ago
So now we're going after family I'm sorry you can't downvote yourself for not even being promoted to your last degree by any human involvement, as I'm sure your true feelings is that not getting degrees from a physically present senior black belt is the real problem here.
It would help if you actually characterized what my complaint is correctly, it would make you seem more serious. You recieved multi stripes on the same day by someone you didn't train with; notice there are two conditions present.

When I have claimed multiple stripes on the same day from someone I don't train with we can revist my hypocrisy. Until then, try to at least read the issues people bring up with your profile and not make things up about them.

By the way, tell your dad to fix his promotion history too. It's weird you tell me to be consistent and downvote others with your same issues and then instead get mad when I do. No pleasing you, it seems.

I'll just go back to my real life and let you be upset by legitimate downvotes on real problems with your promotion history that you refuse to address and instead just deflect from
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Mo
Mo
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2 year(s) ago
I feel like the request more evidence is what everyone one else does except Johan.
In Johan’s defense, he posted this message to my wall while I was still unverified:

“ Would recommend adding lineage, for easier verification.”

I followed his recommendation and soon moved into Verification City.
Gilian Jansen
Gilian Jansen
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2 year(s) ago
Johan's downvoting spree is clearly not helping to build this community, as far as I can read there is no one here that supports his behavior. That alone should make him think about his actions. But in reallity thats not the case.

Johan uses his own personal opinion/criteria to downvote. And to be fair, he is in his right to do so. But when people use their own personal opinion/criteria to downvote him he gets all butthurt and calls it revenge voting, which he find childish. And then continues to revenge vote those people which makes him a hypocrite by my standards and a child by his own standards.

And since Johan is a child by his own criteria, he cannot have the rank of blackbelt considering IBJJF standards. He should either act like a man again, or put a green belt around his waist.

This is not my personal opinion, its his own words used against him.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
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2 year(s) ago
And since Johan is a child by his own criteria, he cannot have the rank of blackbelt considering IBJJF standards. He should either act like a man again, or put a green belt around his waist.
come on man, lets initiate some maturity here, and talk about solutions and end states. maturity, poise, presence, you are better than this. blackbelts need to step up and be a little more verbally resilient. that comment is below you my man.
Gilian Jansen
Gilian Jansen
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2 year(s) ago
come on man, lets initiate some maturity here, and talk about solutions and end states. maturity, poise, presence, you are better than this. blackbelts need to step up and be a little more verbally resilient. that comment is below you my man.
For sure my comment is completely ridiculous and it should be read with a grain of salt. ;)

Perhaps my humor isnt for everyone, but the point of my comment is not far from the truth.
Johan
JohanOP
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2 year(s) ago
For sure my comment is completely ridiculous and it should be read with a grain of salt. ;) Perhaps my humor isnt for everyone, but the point of my comment is not far from the truth.
"I was just joking!" is the standard response of all school yard bullies not wanting to take responsibility for their words and actions. I wonder where you picked up that mentality.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
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2 year(s) ago
For sure my comment is completely ridiculous and it should be read with a grain of salt. ;) Perhaps my humor isnt for everyone, but the point of my comment is not far from the truth.
the problem is there will always be voting disputes on an open voting system. we all should know this because we are smart enough to know what this site is. Wouldn't it be great if a person could go to the one disputing them and have a private conversation and come to an agreement? this is what the civilized world can do. rise above the petty name callings and show your maturity. show the community how a well-rounded, mentally tough blackbelt handles business. make an example for everyone else to follow.

(we are all way better than this forum thread)
Joshua Blake
Joshua Blake
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2 year(s) ago
the problem is there will always be voting disputes on an open voting system. we all should know this because we are smart enough to know what this site is. Wouldn't it be great if a person could go to the one disputing them and have a private conversation and come to an agreement? this is what the civilized world can do. rise above the petty name callings and show your maturity. show the community how a well-rounded, mentally tough blackbelt handles business. make an example for everyone else to follow. (we are all way better than this forum thread)
Well said!
Gilian Jansen
Gilian Jansen
Black belt 1st degreeVerified7 forum posts3855/1000
2 year(s) ago
'I was just joking!' is the standard response of all school yard bullies not wanting to take responsibility for their words and actions. I wonder where you picked up that mentality.
I probably picked it up at the schoolyard then ;)
Jochem Branderhorst
Jochem Branderhorst
Black belt 4th degreeVerified43 forum posts11660/1000
2 year(s) ago
I think we are pretty civilized, we are certainly strongly disagreeing, and some people are pissed off, but i see no real cussing, no physical threats, challenges to a duel :), or any of that kind of behaviour. Its a disagreement, with a bit of voting drama, but I mean, cmon. Its really not that bad. I used to be on a forum a lot in the beginning of 2000s, and this is just a little ray of sunshine compared to most discussions I saw.
Gilian Jansen
Gilian Jansen
Black belt 1st degreeVerified7 forum posts3855/1000
2 year(s) ago
the problem is there will always be voting disputes on an open voting system. we all should know this because we are smart enough to know what this site is. Wouldn't it be great if a person could go to the one disputing them and have a private conversation and come to an agreement? this is what the civilized world can do. rise above the petty name callings and show your maturity. show the community how a well-rounded, mentally tough blackbelt handles business. make an example for everyone else to follow. (we are all way better than this forum thread)
Completely agree. I'm not against down voting at all. But the way Johan does it has nothing to do with catching frauds or whatever. And I think that that should be the main reason to do so.

Instead he targets people who are clearly legit, but might not have enough evidence for his liking. And he targets new people who are clearly not done with their profile, I don't think thats a friendly welcome.

Both are, in my opinion, not how we should act as a community.

But ofcourse, he can do as he likes. But so can everyone else who vote against him because of it.

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