For what it's worth, I asked Draculino about Remco. This is what he said.

For what it's worth, I asked Draculino about Remco. This is what he said.

Johan would not accept it even if Carlos Gracie and Helio Gracie themselves came down from the sky with a tablet carved with Remco's name declaring him a black belt. LOL

* THE SYSTEM IS PERFECT THE HUMANS ARE FLAWED * BEEP-BEEP-BLOB-BEEP * END DISCUSSION

If Remco removes Yamasaki as a promoting instructor, as he has denied it, and Carlos Gracie Jr clearly confirms he promoted Remco to BB in 1996 and this is communicated through an official account, publicly or in communication directly with me, I would at least remove my downvote. Would still leave Remco to explain why he in that case sandbagged from black to purple belt in competition in 2005.

I think you're assuming, that Remco gives a f about your downvote. He clearly doesn't. The details of his belt history are somewhat cloudy, as is the case with quite a few of the european dirty dozen. But I know a number of old school black belts who had 'handshake deals' with the Federation / Carlos Jr. in the late '90 early 2000's regarding rank endorsement, and the blessing to open up schools. Some of those deals went sour after a few years, which left people & their schools stranded without support. It wasn't a pretty sight. Things are more in the open now, with less underhanded fckery. Long story short, there are some well respected long-time black belts who deserve to be 'grandfathered' in. Because what they've done for the development of the art, outweighs the importance of the exact date on which they were given an arbitrary symbol of knowledge of said art.

Youtube video: Remco vs Liborio

I see someone desperately trying to change the subject he himself started. Hint: it isn’t Remco

BJJ BELTCHECKER | False fastest BB ever claims on Beltchecker?

Until late 2013, BJ Penn was considered the fastest ever to black belt, with 3 years, but new claims on Beltchecker sets Remco Pardoel as the fastest BB ever up to 2013, with only 2 years 1 month. See https://www.beltchecker.com/profile.php?id=7263 All evidence however points towards these claims being false, as I'll provide sources for below, including Remco's own previous accounts of his promotion history (there is more to be found, especially if you also search dutch martial arts

I see a good 120kg judo black belt with solid base and some basic BJJ training against a good 80kg BJJ BB. What do you see, when you compare to BJJ BB:s of that time?

Is there a significant own profile aside old school Judo (or vice versa: is BJJ the legit successor of Judo)?

I have lots of thoughts on why I don't immediately think a button like this is a good idea, or at least why it would need some seriously consideration on how its logic would have to work. Unfortunately I'm at camp this week and don't have much time for writing here. For now, the system allows to reach out via private- and wall messages if you would like to make a minimal-emotion-stirring request for more information on a profile. These options leaves plenty of opportunity to describe and specify what you mean, without putting any red marks on someone's verification status. A button/neutral vote/etc raises a lot of challenges: - Should it be public or private - If the button sends a private request for more information, would that have any other effect than just a private message which we already support - If the button puts a public mark on a profile how should that be displayed and where - Should 1000 requests for info have any effect on voting/verification abilities for a profile - How do we facilitate communication between requester and profile owner, as related to the request, as there will for sure be some questions back and forth, and should this be private or public - How can the profile owner notify the requester when profile has been updated - How do we prevent that requests don't hang on to a profile forever because requester forgot that he sent one / doesn't log in to beltchecker any more, even after profile has been updated - What if a profile owner disagrees with a request, can he remove/deny it somehow - What's the route for a a request to finally be removed / resolved (unlike today where a downvote automatically disappears once promotion history is updated) - How do we connect a request to a certain part of a profile; it could be towards promotion history, competition record, general information, birthdate, etc. But we would need to know which part of a profile the requester has targeted and how we trigger an update of that part to somehow do something with the request (remove it, notify requester, etc.) I could come up with many more of these things to consider. For now, all of above can currently be resolved through direct message (private) and wall messages (public 'escalation' ) so I don't immediately see a lot of benefit in trying to implement a separate system for that.

Ok Draculino confirmed the federation gave it to him but that is not good enough. All this was from a time over 25 years when the Federation was trying to push BJJ world wide and we all know did this type of thing. Question when does beltchecking / verification go too far? Calling Remco a liar and fraud is bad but now someone is saying Draculino is a liar

1. Public - It would act like any other vote except it wouldn't add or remove points. 2. You could add a simple count at the top next to the green verification bubbles that says '5 requests for more information' 3. 1000 requests for info would not directly have any impact on voting, but that would be 1000 votes that wouldn't be giving points. 4. Communication would be facilitated through comments on the votes EXACTLY like all other votes. 5. The profile owner can notify the requestor by replying to the vote. 'Ok, I uploaded some photos and fixed that date' 6. If a profile owner disagrees the request for more info would stay just like a dispute would stay with the current setup; but without their rank being disputed. 7. Requests would 'hang' forever if someone stopped using the site to the same degree that disputes would 'hang' forever for the same reason. 8. Since the request would work like any other vote, requests for more info would also have to be reapplied if needed after promotion updates. 9. The request is not, from a programing perspective, tied to any specific part of the profile anymore than verifications and disputes are. The request would have comments that state what info they are looking for. You are not wrong - all this could be done through wall messages and private messages. So what is the benefit? A. The benefit is the count of people who agree that more info is needed. If Johan leaves a message on a wall asking for them to upload photos and I agree photos are needed, I'm not going to add a post to the wall that says 'I agree, upload photos', I'm just going to leave and come back later to see if they did it. BUT from their perspective only one person is asking for photos; they don't see the 10 other people who agreed that photos were needed and just left the page because someone else had already requested it. B. How many disputes have a comment that says 'I'm not disputing your rank...but... fix this and I will switch my vote.' I would bet it is a very high % of the disputes. This would be designed to replace that. I don't want to dispute anyone's rank unless I think they are a fake. It feels very disrespectful to dispute a legit black belts rank. Negative points should mean I think this dude is a fraud, not I think this dude needs to spend a little more effort on his profile.

I just went to Remco's profile out of curiosity Johan you down voted him and that is cool.. The thing I noticed is that on many other peoples votes for you felt the need to tell them they should change their vote. It is not enough that you down voted but you kind of went stalker level are you wondering why Remco said screw this on a website that has zero actual relevance to to actually being recognized? A little more clarification came from someone in would have been privy to the situation and you double down; Let me ask a question what if anything would convince you to change your vote?

There is a possible mid ground, with just revoking the vote, but time passing without answers always raises the bar. As does incoherencies, avoidance and writing around the issues at hand. And the bar raises exponentially for each modification in the original claims. I really wasn't biased in any negative way on Remco, rather the opposite! And as you can see, I started off by trying to resolve the issues directly with him, before going public. Remco has not yet made any claims that things went sour with Carlinho, Yamasaki or the federation, but if Draculino or someone else noteworthy is willing to stick his chin out and (with details about how things happened and how they know it) say that Yamasaki is not truthful about not having promoted R to BB in '96, that would really put things in a new light. Especially if there is supporting evidence, like old articles or internet content, diplomas, correspondence with C, Y or the federation, videos, photos etc. You implied before that I was calling Draculino a liar. If we go to those extremes, wouldn't that mean that Draculino not being a liar means Yamasaki being a liar, if Draculino goes on to claim that Remco's promotion history information is in fact correct and that he knows for sure Yamasaki was a promoting instructor of R to BB in '96? To 27 years later verify promotion which Remco himself supposedly didn't accept in 1996, which there is not a single trace of for decades and claimed promoting instructor Yamasaki denies he ever did, that would really be pushing it. But if Carlinho says he alone promoted Remco in '96, Remco changes this on his profile and perhaps also CBJJ officially change their answer and confirm a '96 promotion and there would also be a good explanation for all these mixups, I would definitely consider an upvote.

Draculino says that it happen that way, you have your answerd, if you didn't want to admit it, it's your choice but, i think that you should at least remove your downvote. A autority figure of BJJ give us explanation, it's enough for me. You should remember that it was Brazil in mid 90's, on that old wild West period everything may happen.

Remco has not yet made any claims that things went sour with Carlinho, Yamasaki or the federation,

Remco Pardoel Leaves Gracie Barra After 14yrs: "There Are No More Family Values'

Remco Pardoel made his MMA debut at UFC 2. Since then, he has become one of Europe’s most sought after BJJ instructors. He was recently a guest on the best BJJ podcast Grappling central podcast where he talked about various interesting topics including MMA’s early days, Europe’s early BJJ scene and also major announcement: He …

Did anyone actually read the article?🤦🏻 He blames Carlinhos in the article. 'I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!' Mugatu 😂 https://www.bjjee.com/bjj[...]ly-values/