I like the idea as well. I have matches when I sweep from the turtle position by trapping the arm and rolling...but it never counted as points. I think under this new ruleset that would now be points correct? It would have helped me in a handful of my matches. :)

I like the idea that guard is not the only position you can score reversal points from, but this will also give 2 points if you end on top after your opponent has attempted an armbar or footlock, for instance. I don't think that makes a lot of sense.

I have matches when I sweep from the turtle position by trapping the arm and rolling...but it never counted as points.

I agree. Is the AGF a big thing in various parts of the world? I've coached/competed at dozens if not hundreds of events over the years, and have yet to attend an AGF event. 2 random, semi-unrelated thoughts: 1) I understand why most bjj rule sets emphasize and reward guard play: it's what separates us from the other grappling arts. 2) I think if the standard ibjjf rule set could be altered in one, very simple way, and it would help to steer bjj into a more accurately-'self defense' sort of way, as well as simplify a number of issues: award 2 points to whoever gets on top first, like wrestling. Sure, you would still be allowed to pull guard, but you would have to hustle immediately for a sweep or submission, because otherwise you'd be down 2 points.

I like the idea as well. I have matches when I sweep from the turtle position by trapping the arm and rolling...but it never counted as points. I think under this new ruleset that would now be points correct? It would have helped me in a handful of my matches. :) Also, I think it will force the skills of individuals to evolve to have better control when doing submissions....which is just better jiu jitsu in my opinion.

They seem to be pretty big in the US. Almost every tournament around me is either Fuji or AGF and once a year or so a regional IBJJF. I think i've seen maybe one or two nagas but don't know anyone that went to them. Looking at their upcoming calendar they for the most part at least do 8 tournaments a month mostly spread out across central US with a handful east coast and west coast sprinkled in.

2) I think if the standard ibjjf rule set could be altered in one, very simple way, and it would help to steer bjj into a more accurately-"self defense" sort of way, as well as simplify a number of issues: award 2 points to whoever gets on top first, like wrestling.

I too enjoy a good fat boy roll - the people that end up under me don't enjoy it much though.

Completely unrelated tangent... Remember Brandon Quick, the guy who started AGF, got kicked out of 10th Planet for lying about his brown belt lineage? Oh, the forums had a field day.

AGF rubs me the wrong way worse than the IBJJF.

But what if you trap the arm and roll to top from bottom mount? Or even from the back? This would also give you two points, is that fair?

-2 points for pulling guard would make a LOT more sense to start with than 2 points for escaping bottom position/submission

I personally do not like this rule change. In my opinion its gonna become boring because people will try less for submissions to prevent giving out 2points. I asked about it in the post, because what if I get to mount and just stay there and was responded that they have their stalling rule (which is 20 seconds). I'm still going to compete in AGF because they run really good tournaments but I think is a bummer.

To me, I’m all for points for reversals. It’s done for takedowns and there are points for reversals in wrestling. I never seen points for reversals create a boring wrestling match. However, I feel we still do need some clarification on this since this is new to Jiu-Jitsu. I’m curious to see the videos explaining it all.

AGF is run by idiots that don't want to do actual jiujitsu. They want mma rules for jiujitsu. You make rules for what you are allowed to do. If striking isn't allowed then stop acting like it is. What's funny is they think this rule will hurt guard players and help wrestlers. Guard players are much more likely to figure out how to take advantage of the rules just because of how they normally use strategy. This just rewards bad Jiu-Jitsu and more stalling. If they are hellbent on changing points they just reward points for the dominant positions. No passing points then it doesn't matter how you got to side or mount. But really they just want to devalue sweep points when a sweep is basically a takedown. Far superior to a reversal. They just need to learn how to pass guard and quit crying about the less athletic guys sweeping them from not using good weight distribution.