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Can purple belts promote??
2 year(s) ago • 9309 views • 162 replies
MMBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Can purple belt give blue belt ?
Very interesting question. I would like to remind you that there are different federations and organizations in Jiu-jitsu. It is the federation or organization that sets the rules. If I am no longer affiliated with a federation I cannot promote a grade of that same federation.
SEBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Nobody has question if the blue belts are actually blue belt level. Which seems to me to be the only important factor.
I would like to add that the most important question is:
who is able to identify the requested level properly?
In my case I felt not ready for a single belt I was promoted to at that time.
That is the reason why a fresh BB should not be enabled to promote anybody else to BB from my (individual) pov.
If a Purple is able to identify a Blue level depends of course on the individual Purple.
But I am not convinced that the Purple should be enabled to decide by himself if he is able to identify….
who is able to identify the requested level properly?
In my case I felt not ready for a single belt I was promoted to at that time.
That is the reason why a fresh BB should not be enabled to promote anybody else to BB from my (individual) pov.
If a Purple is able to identify a Blue level depends of course on the individual Purple.
But I am not convinced that the Purple should be enabled to decide by himself if he is able to identify….
MBrown beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I have seen on Instagram today, two people locally to me have been promoted to blue belt by a purple belt. Is this allowed? I seem to remember it being allowed for remote locations discretionally if there are no black belts around but there are dozens of Black Belts locally to the area.
It all depends on the affiliation, organization, Coach, etc….
I am 14 years in BJJ, almost 6 years purple belt, I am affiliated with my black belt teacher, who lives 6 hours away, and I teach my little group since I started grappling (first it was kind of a study group).
My Coach allows me to award stripes on white belts of my peeps.
I teach and train and prepare my guys for the next belt, but my blackbelt does the exam and promotion to blue if passing the exam, etc…
Everyone does it differently…
I am 14 years in BJJ, almost 6 years purple belt, I am affiliated with my black belt teacher, who lives 6 hours away, and I teach my little group since I started grappling (first it was kind of a study group).
My Coach allows me to award stripes on white belts of my peeps.
I teach and train and prepare my guys for the next belt, but my blackbelt does the exam and promotion to blue if passing the exam, etc…
Everyone does it differently…
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HLPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I can promote juniors :-)
JCPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
They could very well be teaching others the same holes in their game. But blue belt have holes in their game, so that doesn't seem like a reason to say they are not blue belts.
It's a bold to assume that black belts don't also have holes in their game. They aren't as large as those of a blue belt, but a black belt that hasn't spent any time outside their own organization is likely to be missing a few things and move forward teaching their students in the exact same way and leaving the exact same holes. Some of the more common things I see are assuming they are safe in certain positions or failing to recognize that they have left an arm or leg in a vulnerable position. A lower belt willing to think outside the box can often take advantage of those things and make a black belt feel like not much of a black belt any more.
HLPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Would using an ecological approach make a difference? No techniques are taugh so ”no holes” :-)
How do you know when to promote?
How do you know when to promote?
DVBlue beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
It's an interesting topic.
A sport with no real standards for promotion, where the only people aloud to promote are black belts of no set standard and in a time where the sport has evolved way past what it's founders stole from Judo, and who awarded themselves black belts and could probably be destroyed by a comp blue belt from today.
A sport with no real standards for promotion, where the only people aloud to promote are black belts of no set standard and in a time where the sport has evolved way past what it's founders stole from Judo, and who awarded themselves black belts and could probably be destroyed by a comp blue belt from today.
DVBlue beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Technically the purple belt could say they are teaching Mexican ground karate and promote oddly similar belt colours.
HLPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Technically the purple belt could say they are teaching Mexican ground karate and promote oddly similar belt colours.
”Take what works and call it karate” or mexican ground karate… Iain Arbernethy quote.
LPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Really? I get that a black belt has a significantly more refined sense of where someone is, but usually when someone gets promoted to blue almost everyone in the room knows it is coming. 2 stripe white belts know when someone is pretty close to blue. They start making posts on reddit that start with "I don't care about belts, but... I've been training for x long and I tap out {color} belts." They you add 2 or 3 months to work on patience and boom... you give them blue and they disappear.
But seriously, if someone gets promoted to blue by a purple, then continues to train, and later gets promoted up to purple/brown/black... is anyone going to go back and say "Nope, I call bullshit; your blue belt doesn't count. Start over."
But seriously, if someone gets promoted to blue by a purple, then continues to train, and later gets promoted up to purple/brown/black... is anyone going to go back and say "Nope, I call bullshit; your blue belt doesn't count. Start over."
BNPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I would like to add that the most important question is: who is able to identify the requested level properly? In my case I felt not ready for a single belt I was promoted to at that time. That is the reason why a fresh BB should not be enabled to promote anybody else to BB from my (individual) pov. If a Purple is able to identify a Blue level depends of course on the individual Purple. But I am not convinced that the Purple should be enabled to decide by himself if he is able to identify….
not being personally ready for your own rank does not mean you cannot recognise when others are ready. Do you think a fresh black cannot recognise when a purple is ready to move up.
Similarly, I think it should be really obvious to a purple belt when a white belt is ready for blue. Blue belt is not a complex level of proficiency
Similarly, I think it should be really obvious to a purple belt when a white belt is ready for blue. Blue belt is not a complex level of proficiency
SEBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Yes, that is correct.
I was talking about same level promotions.
And -as I wrote- it depends on the individual person.
The point is that maybe a more experienced person should decide, if somebody is able to promote and not the person itself.
I was talking about same level promotions.
And -as I wrote- it depends on the individual person.
The point is that maybe a more experienced person should decide, if somebody is able to promote and not the person itself.
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ZBlack beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
We come to the conclusion that it is good if there are some clear rules and if we want to take part in the biggest competitions in the world, we have to adapt to the IBJJF regulations, there are also specific rules for promotions. If someone wants to award belts as they please, no one stops them, people will consider these promotions in McDojo.
JCPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
But seriously, if someone gets promoted to blue by a purple, then continues to train, and later gets promoted up to purple/brown/black... is anyone going to go back and say 'Nope, I call bullshit; your blue belt doesn't count. Start over.'
It actually seems to happen here surprisingly often.
JCPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
not being personally ready for your own rank does not mean you cannot recognise when others are ready. Do you think a fresh black cannot recognise when a purple is ready to move up. Similarly, I think it should be really obvious to a purple belt when a white belt is ready for blue. Blue belt is not a complex level of proficiency
Not only that, but there's also something to be said for being in the trenches with people on a daily basis and seeing them progress. And a fresh blackbelt that's just been coming to class for 10 years, then gets his black belt and decides to open his own school having never instructed or evaluated anyone ever in his life is not going to be as good at doing so as a blue belt that's been running a school for a year.
There's also the issue of difference in capability. All else being equal as far as age, weight, natural athletic ability, etc. a black belt should handle a blue belt about as easily as they do a 6 month white belt, where a purple belt might struggle with the blue belt and be able to more readily tell the difference.
We treat the black belt like it's the holy grail of BJJ. It's not. Nothing happens when you tie that belt on that magically makes you a good instructor or evaluator, nor does it take the things you do wrong and suddenly make them right.
There's also the issue of difference in capability. All else being equal as far as age, weight, natural athletic ability, etc. a black belt should handle a blue belt about as easily as they do a 6 month white belt, where a purple belt might struggle with the blue belt and be able to more readily tell the difference.
We treat the black belt like it's the holy grail of BJJ. It's not. Nothing happens when you tie that belt on that magically makes you a good instructor or evaluator, nor does it take the things you do wrong and suddenly make them right.
BVBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I would be interested in how this purple belt got promoted. Is he still affiliated with his black belt coach? Or did he split from the team and is now without a coach? By the way I dont think its smart to be without a coach even if you are a black belt yourself. Having someone that can guide you and set you straight from time to time is very valuable.
If the team is competitive and they compete regularly, its quite easy to validate the rank. Does this blue belt beat up the white belts in competition? I'd say he's ready. It becomes iffy if the guy doesnt compete though.
Another thing of concern is that the purple belt should be promoted himself through a legitimate way. I can live with a purple belt giving out a blue belt, but a purple giving out a purple belt? And what about after that?
If the team is competitive and they compete regularly, its quite easy to validate the rank. Does this blue belt beat up the white belts in competition? I'd say he's ready. It becomes iffy if the guy doesnt compete though.
Another thing of concern is that the purple belt should be promoted himself through a legitimate way. I can live with a purple belt giving out a blue belt, but a purple giving out a purple belt? And what about after that?
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
By the way I dont think its smart to be without a coach even if you are a black belt yourself. Having someone that can guide you and set you straight from time to time is very valuable.
I would disagree with this. I've been without a coach for about a decade, and have continued to evolve at bjj.
DVBlue beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I would disagree with this. I've been without a coach for about a decade, and have continued to evolve at bjj.
I agree, the world is a different place now. Information is more abundant than ever before.
I mean you can sign up to sub meta and gain more information than you'd get from a visiting black belt.
I mean you can sign up to sub meta and gain more information than you'd get from a visiting black belt.
AKPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
We come to the conclusion that it is good if there are some clear rules and if we want to take part in the biggest competitions in the world, we have to adapt to the IBJJF regulations, there are also specific rules for promotions. If someone wants to award belts as they please, no one stops them, people will consider these promotions in McDojo.
The irony being that these "biggest competitions in the world" are just sandbagging championships where people grade 4x slower than the rest of jiu jitsu practitioners
BVBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I would disagree with this. I've been without a coach for about a decade, and have continued to evolve at bjj.
I know it can be done. Ive been in a situation as well untill I met my current coach. Having some one that can mentor and guide you will help a lot. There are other ways to improve especially in this day and age where information is abundant.
Im not talking about a Black belt that visits once a year and gives out random pieces of advise and stripes/belts. Im talking about a Black belt coach you see on a regular basis and monitors your progression. Invaluable in my opinion.
Im not talking about a Black belt that visits once a year and gives out random pieces of advise and stripes/belts. Im talking about a Black belt coach you see on a regular basis and monitors your progression. Invaluable in my opinion.
ZBlack beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
The irony being that these 'biggest competitions in the world' are just sandbagging championships where people grade 4x slower than the rest of jiu jitsu practitioners
What youb are talking about ??
Tell me, because I dont understand your mind ....
Tell me, because I dont understand your mind ....
DVBlue beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
What youb are talking about ?? Tell me, because I dont understand your mind ....
I think he is saying that most competitions have competitors who should have been promoted earlier, but instead they stay at their current belt to win medals for their club.
This artificially raises the standard of all belt levels for competition.
For example blue level athletes competing in the white belt category.
This artificially raises the standard of all belt levels for competition.
For example blue level athletes competing in the white belt category.
ZBlack beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I think he is saying that most competitions have competitors who should have been promoted earlier, but instead they stay at their current belt to win medals for their club. This artificially raises the standard of all belt levels for competition. For example blue level athletes competing in the white belt category.
Yes, He has blue belt 4 years ...😆🤙
AKPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I think he is saying that most competitions have competitors who should have been promoted earlier, but instead they stay at their current belt to win medals for their club. This artificially raises the standard of all belt levels for competition. For example blue level athletes competing in the white belt category.
Exactly this, you need to look under the bonnet at the amount of mat hours they've actually accumulated to be a "champion blue belt". They aren't amazing blue belts, they've just trained as much as a 50th percentile brown belt
ZBlack beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Exactly this, you need to look under the bonnet at the amount of mat hours they've actually accumulated to be a 'champion blue belt'. They aren't amazing blue belts, they've just trained as much as a 50th percentile brown belt
That patology is everywhere ... all the world.
AKPurple beltVerified
ZBlack beltVerified
AKPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
In normal plan you are about 2 years on every belt
Cool, keep going with that logic, so how many hours training a week on average?
ZBlack beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Cool, keep going with that logic, so how many hours training a week on average?
I think 2 or 3 times on a week is OK.
1 x training avarage is 1,5h.
1 x training avarage is 1,5h.
AKPurple beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I think 2 or 3 times on a week is OK. 1 x training avarage is 1,5h.
Ok so you think that if we were at Pans or the Euros and went to talk to the people who just medalled in the well attended divisions (Light, middle, middle heavy) and said "hey how long have you been training and how many times a week do you train"? Then we multiplied those numbers. You think that
- the white belts would give a number close to 468
- the blue belts would give a number close to 936
Is that a fair representation of what you said?
- the white belts would give a number close to 468
- the blue belts would give a number close to 936
Is that a fair representation of what you said?
