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2 year(s) ago • 697 views • 21 replies

Jay Nolte
Jay Nolte
Black beltVerified27 forum posts3230/1000
2 year(s) ago
What are some solid go-to takedowns for us "non-wrestlers" ? I'm trying hard to fill this gap in my game this year.
Matthew Garrett
Matthew Garrett
Black beltVerified47 forum posts3430/1000
2 year(s) ago
Freestyle wrestling since 1998. Hard question to answer. Starting out I would play with takedowns from 50/50 and takedown variations off the single leg. How’s your shot? Work on that as well to start.
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Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
2 year(s) ago
My number one rule is to NEVER SHOOT for takedowns without establishing a grip or at least a connection first. Otherwise it's just a waste of energy especially for us un-athletic types.

Learn set ups to grab high singles and combo them with hip/waistline control. Takedowns become so much easier once you get to a power position. Demian Maia is a prime example of this approach. He had a very successful MMA career based on high singles and working from the power position towards the back control.
Matthew Garrett
Matthew Garrett
Black beltVerified47 forum posts3430/1000
2 year(s) ago
My number one rule is to NEVER SHOOT for takedowns without establishing a grip or at least a connection first. Otherwise it's just a waste of energy especially for us un-athletic types. Learn set ups to grab high singles and combo them with hip/waistline control. Takedowns become so much easier once you get to a power position. Demian Maia is a prime example of this approach. He had a very successful MMA career based on high singles and working from the power position towards the back control.
So, what I said. Just better and with a Demian Maia example. Demian Maia what a stud.
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
2 year(s) ago
So, what I said. Just better and with a Demian Maia example. Demian Maia what a stud.
I wouldn't say better. Just from the perspective of a very un-athletic potato. But yes, we seem to be on the same page with this. Singles are the way.

I would also add that foot sweeps are really useful. Not only as takedowns, but as set ups for single entries or even throws or doubles. Fairly easy to try for without requiring much athleticism or effort.
Seth Spratlin
Seth Spratlin
Black beltVerified79 forum posts3040/1000
2 year(s) ago
Watch Christian’s video on how he teaches wrestling to adults. Absolute game changer for me and my whole gym.

Also Andrew Wiltse’s arm drag single leg entry is beautiful and fast and explosive, but it doesn’t have to be. You can do the whole thing basically in slow motion and it’s still super effective. Same with a collar drag in the gi.

The Globetrotters videos on into to Greco-Roman parts 1 & 2 are also excellent. A Russian tie when your opponent gets a collar tie is a great solution.

But both my arm drag single and Russian tie were developed from playing Christian’s wrestling game. Things like a blast double, low or outside single, these require explosiveness (lol it has blast in the name) which is a young man’s game. The stuff I’ve mentioned above just works and is much less timing and quickness dependent.
Matthew Garrett
Matthew Garrett
Black beltVerified47 forum posts3430/1000
2 year(s) ago
Oh shit Jay, I forgot the best part. Snap downs into head & arm control. Very high percentage and there’s lots of fun ways to finish the takedown including: cow catcher, cradle, or just circle & sprawl.
Jay Nolte
Jay NolteOP
Black beltVerified27 forum posts3230/1000
2 year(s) ago
Thank you guys. Ive been working collar/arm drags and singles. Its good to here i am on a correct path. I will def check out Christians video!
Dwight Kelly Ii
Dwight Kelly Ii
Black beltVerified171 forum posts2720/1000
2 year(s) ago
I do not have a favorite take down per se, but i tend to aim for a Russian two on one as my usual go to as there is a lot you can manipulate from there. I'll do arm drags to move someone around and or attempt to attack ankles/feet to get someone to move, especially when they just want to hand fight and stand static with me.
Jay Nolte
Jay NolteOP
Black beltVerified27 forum posts3230/1000
2 year(s) ago
At this point maybe just pull guard 😄 🤷🏼‍♂️
HA HA HA......I'm already pretty decent at this!
Zy Pryde-Ramsey
Zy Pryde-Ramsey
Blue beltVerified37 forum posts1415/200
2 year(s) ago
My little blue belt two cents... I don't think I'm very good at wrestling either. So I use a lot of judo trips and off-balancing. Or, if all else fails and I get taken down, I have gotten pretty decent with the guillotines.
Jay Turner
Jay Turner
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified105 forum posts6255/1000
2 year(s) ago
I’ve been wrestling since the late 80s. Wrestling in itself is an art form just like BJJ and Judo. I would pick the one or two techniques you want to use and drill them over and and over. There have been a lot of great advice in this post. I would look at all the suggestions and pick one or two then drill them. Shooting is harder than what people think. I would look at snap downs and arm drags if I were you. If you already like sweep look an inside leg trips. Either way you will get better by drilling.
Randy
Randy
Black belt 1st degreeVerified267 forum posts3345/1000
2 year(s) ago
Watch Christian’s video on how he teaches wrestling to adults. Absolute game changer for me and my whole gym. Also Andrew Wiltse’s arm drag single leg entry is beautiful and fast and explosive, but it doesn’t have to be. You can do the whole thing basically in slow motion and it’s still super effective. Same with a collar drag in the gi. The Globetrotters videos on into to Greco-Roman parts 1 & 2 are also excellent. A Russian tie when your opponent gets a collar tie is a great solution. But both my arm drag single and Russian tie were developed from playing Christian’s wrestling game. Things like a blast double, low or outside single, these require explosiveness (lol it has blast in the name) which is a young man’s game. The stuff I’ve mentioned above just works and is much less timing and quickness dependent.
Just looked it up. Love it. Thanks for sharing that.
Randy
Randy
Black belt 1st degreeVerified267 forum posts3345/1000
2 year(s) ago
What are some solid go-to takedowns for us 'non-wrestlers' ? I'm trying hard to fill this gap in my game this year.
Been working pretty hard on my wrestling and takedowns lately. We are blessed to have some former D1 college wrestlers and also some experienced Judoka in our gym, so I try to pick their brain as often as I can. One of the biggest things that has helped me is learning to hand fight and learning the grips I like to establish prior to really hammering takedowns. It's like Jiu-jitsu in the sense that you will have submissions, sweeps, etc. that tend to speak to you because of the types of guard you play or top game you prefer. Might as well get good at the takedowns that fit YOU and what you do.

Also - as a basic idea, takedowns tend to work better when your opponent is providing you with energy by pushing into you. So learn how to manipulate your opponent's balance from those established grips and get their weight where you want it before working for your takedown. I personally agree with the first couple of responses you got in regards to single-legs being a good entry point for takedown finishes. You don't have to bang your knee every time you go for one, and you are already working to off-balance your opponent when you've isolated a leg. Lots of finishing options, and single-legs provide gateways to other positions you can take people down from (i.e.: body lock). It's super easy to hit a double if you've already captured one leg, as well.

Just my .02 - but I'm far from a wrestling guru.
Nick Tyau
Nick Tyau
Black belt 1st degreeVerified314 forum posts4290/1000
2 year(s) ago
Definitely pertains to me. I’m on the taller side, but I like using front collar ties to front headlocks then wrestling people down to their knees.

Also have had some success with throws like Ken Ken uchi mata
Annette Nagle
Annette Nagle
Blue beltVerified67 forum posts2430/200
2 year(s) ago
collar drags & arm drags are your friend my dude.
👆 This. Can confirm. Haha. I’m pretty sure every other person where I live is a wrestler and this is their bread and butter. 😂
Pete Zawadzki
Pete Zawadzki
Black beltVerified197 forum posts5375/1000
2 year(s) ago
Been working pretty hard on my wrestling and takedowns lately. We are blessed to have some former D1 college wrestlers and also some experienced Judoka in our gym, so I try to pick their brain as often as I can. One of the biggest things that has helped me is learning to hand fight and learning the grips I like to establish prior to really hammering takedowns. It's like Jiu-jitsu in the sense that you will have submissions, sweeps, etc. that tend to speak to you because of the types of guard you play or top game you prefer. Might as well get good at the takedowns that fit YOU and what you do. Also - as a basic idea, takedowns tend to work better when your opponent is providing you with energy by pushing into you. So learn how to manipulate your opponent's balance from those established grips and get their weight where you want it before working for your takedown. I personally agree with the first couple of responses you got in regards to single-legs being a good entry point for takedown finishes. You don't have to bang your knee every time you go for one, and you are already working to off-balance your opponent when you've isolated a leg. Lots of finishing options, and single-legs provide gateways to other positions you can take people down from (i.e.: body lock). It's super easy to hit a double if you've already captured one leg, as well. Just my .02 - but I'm far from a wrestling guru.
This man is right on the money. In judo theory :
1)kumi kata (grips);
2)kuzushi (off-balancing the opponent);
3)tsukuri (set up or entry into the technique);
4)kake ( execution of the technique).
Instead of concentrating on the finishes (kake) I would work on what makes it effective: getting the grips you need (kumi kata) and using them to off-balance your opponent (kuzushi). This off-balancing can be done by using other technique e.g. you're using arm drag to pull them on their toes and as they react to it by posturing up and shifting their weight to their heels they're making you space and putting themselves in perfect position for you to finish them with the double.
Shooting for a take down from the outside without the initial grips can be done but requires more athleticism and perfect timing. If you're less athletic then the other guy your grips can be used to slow them down to the pace you're comfortable with. Force them to grip fight with you instead of shooting by having a perfect stance:
-stand low (by bending your legs not your back);
-staggered stance with your dominant side forward (you will be reaching to them with your stronger arm, shooting with your faster,more agile leg, when they shoot on you, you're more likely to sprawl with your dominant leg);
-elbows close to your body to prevent them from getting the underhooks and pulling your arms away for arm drags;
-your head lower then theirs but at the same time keep it up to make snap downs difficult.
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Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
2 year(s) ago
I'm a black belt and I never do takedowns. Closest I get is a low single/ankle pick type thing (I get confused at the difference? I think it's a low single, but I could be wrong), coming up from guard.

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