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Hypothetical: How would you "grade" me?

2 year(s) ago • 971 views • 24 replies

David Valderhaug
David Valderhaug
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2 year(s) ago
Hey hey,


Mostly a hypothetical question, although I am thinking towards actually going up a belt when the opportunity comes along.

I've been coaching no gi and mma on and off since 2004,

Closest black belt is 5 hours away I think.

I currently coach for 4 hours a week, mostly fundamentals with some advanced techniques, we are now introducing gi work, all not for profit and while work full time.

I have around 15 students in total some progressing faster than I expected, and their feedback has been super positive.

However I never went past blue belt, I'm almost 50, I have a destroyed back and shoulders, nowhere near as strong or fast as I used to be.

I still have around 8-10 rounds of rolling every week with every student, usually putting into practice what we just covered in the technique class as well as working from positions I feel weaker in.

My students mostly outweigh me and are half my age or younger, 70% I can get a submission without breaking a sweat 20% I need to really try and 10% they defend really well.

A couple have tapped me, which is awesome.

I know how my students are progressing, but how do I figure out how I'm doing?

I usually beat myself up and just want to be a better coach, despite students positive feedback.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
Black belt 1st degreeVerified489 forum posts10580/1000
2 year(s) ago
I’d be interested to know what black belt youre under first, and what they have said. I’m assuming they are the one who backs and helps you promote.

Second, I’m 100% disabled now, and I will say that, no matter how old you, or how broke you think you are, there’s always a path to Blackbelt. I wanted to share something that was once said from a mentor of mine:

This is one of my mentors / and people I look up to.

“What does a belt in Jiu-Jitsu mean? I've been asked some form of this question a lot lately. Like one person told me they did not feel they deserved the belt they were given, another person asked me what is the difference between a blue and purple belt and had someone else say they are a blue belt but should be a purple... I'm sure many of you have heard something similar.
The truth is: THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL STANDARD IN JIU-JITSU FOR WHAT ANY BELT IS! It is completely based on your instructor and even with the same instructor, instructors hold different students to different standards.
Sometimes these standards are based on performance like placing well in tournaments or if someone is able to submit a certain level of their training partners in training. Sometimes the standards are based on having a certain level of knowledge so a test might be given. Sometimes the standard is based on the amount of classes attended assuming that after a person has attended a certain amount of classes then they should have a certain level of knowledge.
One of the experiences I had that really made me start to think about what a belt means and who deserves one was after a brown belt test done by Rickson for 8 guys probably around 2008-2009. Rickson rewarded all 8 guys with their brown belts even though I was there and helping to grade and I felt about half the guys failed the test. Afterward I asked him why he gave the belts to one of the guys that I thought had failed and he told me this. This guy was 50 years old had been training consistently for years once a week, every Saturday. He would never achieve the level of world champion in any belt but it doesn't mean he does not deserve to get promoted for his persistence and dedication. This was the first time it really dawned on me that the belt is not even based on performance and level or knowledge. This was a guy that was really strong, and tough, was excellent at making tiny adjustments to defend so he was tough to tap out but had almost no offense at all. He didn't have a huge arsenal of techniques and wasn't necessarily smooth at all either, what I thought would kind of be the standards for a brown belt, those were the standards I felt I was held to. Rickson however made me realize not everyone has the potential to reach the same level but everyone has the potential to become a black belt with hard work, persistence and dedication.
If you think about it, even within a certain school where everyone was promoted by the same instructor, even among guys with the same belt and stripes no one is ever of equal skill level and training level. Some guys are faster, some guys are stronger, some guys are heavier, some guys have great guards some have great defense, some guys have great mounts or cross-sides, but even with twins their skill level and performance will be different.
So my message to you all is do not worry about the color of your belt, focus on learning and growing. The most important thing is you are improving as a person and a martial artist, let go of your ego and focus on becoming more efficient with the techniques of Jiu-Jitsu, if you put the time in the belts will all eventually come”

Henry Akins
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David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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2 year(s) ago
Well here's the thing, I am under no black belt.

I started in late 90s / early 2000's under Rick Young in Edinburgh, there were issues with a couple of the students there due to outside stuff.

I moved to a non BJJ, more vale tudo gym and straight to MMA and sub wrestling.

I popped a gi on to get my blue belt years later and returned to no gi and MMA.

Aside from some seminar stuff I was never in a BJJ gym again.

Since then I have coached sub wrestling and MMA.

So I'm a bit lost.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
Black belt 1st degreeVerified489 forum posts10580/1000
2 year(s) ago
Well here's the thing, I am under no black belt. I started in late 90s / early 2000's under Rick Young in Edinburgh, there were issues with a couple of the students there due to outside stuff. I moved to a non BJJ, more vale tudo gym and straight to MMA and sub wrestling. I popped a gi on to get my blue belt years later and returned to no gi and MMA. Aside from some seminar stuff I was never in a BJJ gym again. Since then I have coached sub wrestling and MMA. So I'm a bit lost.
That brings a lot more context to the situation. It’s kind of hard to establish how well you’re doing if you don’t have a mentor yourself. It’s kind of like the blind leading the blind at some point. But if the goal is to evaluate yourself against your students, that would be one metric. But honestly, since you’re not in a traditional, BJJ format, The only person you need to evaluate against yourself is you. I suppose as long as you’re learning improving and having fun, there’s no sense in comparing yourself with anyone else
David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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2 year(s) ago
That brings a lot more context to the situation. It’s kind of hard to establish how well you’re doing if you don’t have a mentor yourself. It’s kind of like the blind leading the blind at some point. But if the goal is to evaluate yourself against your students, that would be one metric. But honestly, since you’re not in a traditional, BJJ format, The only person you need to evaluate against yourself is you. I suppose as long as you’re learning improving and having fun, there’s no sense in comparing yourself with anyone else
Thanks for your insight. I really appreciate it 🙏

I'll stay on my path and see where it leads.

I'm currently organizing a seminar with an amazing respected black belt for September and will have a club from further away joining us for it.

I'm doing my best to establish organic relationships with people better than me, with a hope to have myself and my students improve further.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
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2 year(s) ago
Thanks for your insight. I really appreciate it 🙏 I'll stay on my path and see where it leads. I'm currently organizing a seminar with an amazing respected black belt for September and will have a club from further away joining us for it. I'm doing my best to establish organic relationships with people better than me, with a hope to have myself and my students improve further.
Good luck, if I can ever help from afar let me know I’d be happy to help
David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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2 year(s) ago
Good luck, if I can ever help from afar let me know I’d be happy to help
I appreciate your time, you're on my list of good humans 😁

Hopefully we'll meet up at some point.
Hamir Ibrahim Achacoso
Hamir Ibrahim Achacoso
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2 year(s) ago
Host seminars and build relationships with black belts you trust. You can also seek affiliation with a black belt.

We have affiliates in Europe and the US. We record our lessons on video and send them so they can study. We also created a curriculum for them to follow. They visit us once a year for exams and technique upgrades.

I wish you the best.
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David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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Host seminars and build relationships with black belts you trust. You can also seek affiliation with a black belt. We have affiliates in Europe and the US. We record our lessons on video and send them so they can study. We also created a curriculum for them to follow. They visit us once a year for exams and technique upgrades. I wish you the best.
We have our first seminar booked for September.
I'm trying to organically develop relationships in the community.
Wolfram Sorg
Wolfram Sorg
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2 year(s) ago
Hi David,

it is hard to evaluate someones progress just by seeing him one time. Truth is that you develop way faster having an instructor guiding you. Often technical details are key and without them you rather enforce the result. Jiu-Jitsu to me is finding the smart answer. To go from blue forward you should accumulate technical approaches and become confident using them.

To not stall, find yourself a professor/coach you want to work with and try to see him regularly. Maybe it is even worth traveling somewhere to spend some time on-site.

Let me know if you think I can be of any help. This is a community and we should always help out each other.
Marc Partridge
Marc Partridge
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2 year(s) ago
Hello matey,
If you look up oldmanbjj on this platform (Matt Holland) hes a Bjj BB out of Elgin. You also have North coast Bjj which is a checkmat gym based in Inverness. Both must be closer than 5hours, you could ask/use them to oversee gradings and promotions.
Just an idea.
David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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2 year(s) ago
Hi David, it is hard to evaluate someones progress just by seeing him one time. Truth is that you develop way faster having an instructor guiding you. Often technical details are key and without them you rather enforce the result. Jiu-Jitsu to me is finding the smart answer. To go from blue forward you should accumulate technical approaches and become confident using them. To not stall, find yourself a professor/coach you want to work with and try to see him regularly. Maybe it is even worth traveling somewhere to spend some time on-site. Let me know if you think I can be of any help. This is a community and we should always help out each other.
I wish I had the time, unfortunately I'm self employed, care for my wife and run the club here as well as starting a women's self defense course and soon a kids class.

I haven't had time off work for over 2 years 🤣

I do plan on building a long term relationship with a couple of black belts who enjoy coming to the island I'm on.
David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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2 year(s) ago
Hello matey, If you look up oldmanbjj on this platform (Matt Holland) hes a Bjj BB out of Elgin. You also have North coast Bjj which is a checkmat gym based in Inverness. Both must be closer than 5hours, you could ask/use them to oversee gradings and promotions. Just an idea.
Hiya I didn't know about Elgin thank you.

I actually share a couple of students with north coast, and they will be coming through for our first seminar in September.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
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2 year(s) ago
We have our first seminar booked for September. I'm trying to organically develop relationships in the community.
If I make it out there, I’ll teach for free
David Valderhaug
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2 year(s) ago
If I make it out there, I’ll teach for free
I don't want you ruining your holiday just for us.

I really appreciate it though 🙏
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
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I don't want you ruining your holiday just for us. I really appreciate it though 🙏
Trust me a quick escape to do some training would be a holiday haha
Alex Palmer
Alex Palmer
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2 year(s) ago
Find a black belt to go under and let that be his call. Attendance is graded differently if you’re that far away and teaching, also avoid the road of self promoting or just finding someone to give you a belt, do you want to own an upper belt or be an upper belt? Amazon sells belts all day long, but earning it from a seasoned instructor is the real accomplishment. Just the opinion of a casual purple belt.
David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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2 year(s) ago
Find a black belt to go under and let that be his call. Attendance is graded differently if you’re that far away and teaching, also avoid the road of self promoting or just finding someone to give you a belt, do you want to own an upper belt or be an upper belt? Amazon sells belts all day long, but earning it from a seasoned instructor is the real accomplishment. Just the opinion of a casual purple belt.
I personally don't mind staying at blue, however I want to start teaching kids classes and be able to grade them as they need that kind of feedback.

Also my current students are wanting to do gi classes on top of the no gi we already do, and it would be nice to be able to add stripes to their white belts eventually.

Can't do that at blue.

From what I've read it's "common" in some places for purples to grade up to blue. Although not necessarily respected by all.

As stated in a few of my replies I am working on relationships with black belts, but that would be a once or twice a year thing.

I dunno really, when I was running clubs years ago it was all sub wrestling and MMA focused.

But it's nice to throw the gi on, especially living in a cold climate 🤣
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
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I personally don't mind staying at blue, however I want to start teaching kids classes and be able to grade them as they need that kind of feedback. Also my current students are wanting to do gi classes on top of the no gi we already do, and it would be nice to be able to add stripes to their white belts eventually. Can't do that at blue. From what I've read it's 'common' in some places for purples to grade up to blue. Although not necessarily respected by all. As stated in a few of my replies I am working on relationships with black belts, but that would be a once or twice a year thing. I dunno really, when I was running clubs years ago it was all sub wrestling and MMA focused. But it's nice to throw the gi on, especially living in a cold climate 🤣
I’ll sponsor you for free if you fly me out once a year 😂😂. I’m totally non-profit right now.
David Valderhaug
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I’ll sponsor you for free if you fly me out once a year 😂😂. I’m totally non-profit right now.
Hahaha

How much are flights 🤣

We're also non profit 😀
Anders Xu
Anders Xu
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2 year(s) ago
Hello David, as many already pointed out finding a building a relationship with an organization or black belt is probably the best way to proceed. In many cases that I k own of for people that has been living far away form gyms with black belts has just had the tracing and training session overviewed by video links that can be a oof option as well to have a person evaluate your progress. Running your own gym is a tough thing for anyone to do and one of the criteria’s many instructors evaluate for higher belts is how do you contribute to the academy and the over all grow of Jiu Jitsu. I would say teaching and running your own gym kind of qualifies as good in that aspect :). Let me know if I can be of any help further and good luck :)
David Valderhaug
David ValderhaugOP
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2 year(s) ago
Hello David, as many already pointed out finding a building a relationship with an organization or black belt is probably the best way to proceed. In many cases that I k own of for people that has been living far away form gyms with black belts has just had the tracing and training session overviewed by video links that can be a oof option as well to have a person evaluate your progress. Running your own gym is a tough thing for anyone to do and one of the criteria’s many instructors evaluate for higher belts is how do you contribute to the academy and the over all grow of Jiu Jitsu. I would say teaching and running your own gym kind of qualifies as good in that aspect :). Let me know if I can be of any help further and good luck :)
Thank you for your reply.

Luckily for me running the club is straight forward as we train in a village hall.

I do plan on a permanent premises at some point as there is a lack of opportunity for the younger generations here.

My only aim at the start was to give people an option other than drugs and alcohol.

Now I want to start a kids bjj class as the only choices parents have are kickboxing and karate, both of which cost them a lot of money.

Also a women's self defense class due to demand.

I'd rather give back to the community and break even on my costs.

On a selfish note, it helps my mental health.

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