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Report : Knee Surgery 3 years ago at 47 y/o, full recovery.
2 year(s) ago • 930 views • 9 replies
Black beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Looking back at a surgey with hindsight.
I remember being so stressed out when I needed to have my first surgery back in 2021.
And scouring the internet for people with similar injuries to know what to expect, even sent a few DMs on here, thanks to those who answered back then!
My right knee had been bothering me for a long time back then, first MRI and doctor checks I was told it was normal wear and tear of the meniscus from age...
One day doing ippon-seoi drills my knee buckled under the weight of someone barely heavier than me whom I had never had problem lifting.
knee was locked, very reduced range of motion.
we did some rehabilitation, but the doctor recommended "arthroscopic partial meniscectomy"
Arthro-: Joint
-scopic: observing
Meniscus: C-shaped cartilage in the knee
-ectomy: Surgical removal
arthroscopy is the "minimally invasive surgery" whereby they open 3 small holes.
It works as advertised, 3 years later and I cannot identify where they cut.
Surgery went great, after 6 weeks I was back on the mats doing light drills
after another few weeks I was rolling normally.
now it's been 3 years and if I were to lose my memory I wouldn't be able to tell there ever was something wrong with that knee.
10/10 for "arthroscopic partial meniscectomy", would recommend.
my level of fear and stress before that minor operation was irrational.
now this 3 years old story is top of mind for me because the same thing is happening on my left knee! fml lol
I most recently hurt my knee while visiting Kyoto, and running down the stairs to catch a metro, after a long of walking (25,000 steps) and training BJJ (Carpe Kyoto, thanks for hosting). Thankfully I didn't fall, but as I was running down and laterally, I could feel my knee buckle and compress, the pain from the swelling the next day was unbearable.
MRI (by the way, Japan has the highest ratio of MRI machines per citizens, by far, of any country in the world)
I had checked this knee 6 months ago because it bothered me already...
#1 source of injury in any sporst is a previous injury
so the doctors have 2 MRIs 6 months apart to compare
1. Bucket-handle tear of the medial meniscus (new)
2. Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) rupture (more distinct than before)
3. Mild injury to the lateral meniscus (new and more prominent than before)
4. Mild injury to the medial collateral ligament and medial patellar retinaculum (new)
5. Enlarged Baker's cyst
6. Increased joint fluid
7. Mild injury to the anterior section and anterior root of the lateral meniscus (new)
quite the list...
I need to choose between :
1) only "arthroscopic partial meniscectomy" on the meniscus, main problem
2) also try to repair the ACL (In Japan they take part of some ligaments from the harmstring or ...shin?). much more invase surgery.
#1 I'd probably recover again within 2 months
#2 it would take 6 months plus, and if successful, lead to a more stable knee
but some doctors recommend that it might be better to keep to #1 and do extra work on rehabiliation and strenghtening all the muscle chains to reduce the stress on the knee
injuries happen
we can get through this
cheers to all my fellow grapplers struggling or having struggled with those setbacks
I remember being so stressed out when I needed to have my first surgery back in 2021.
And scouring the internet for people with similar injuries to know what to expect, even sent a few DMs on here, thanks to those who answered back then!
My right knee had been bothering me for a long time back then, first MRI and doctor checks I was told it was normal wear and tear of the meniscus from age...
One day doing ippon-seoi drills my knee buckled under the weight of someone barely heavier than me whom I had never had problem lifting.
knee was locked, very reduced range of motion.
we did some rehabilitation, but the doctor recommended "arthroscopic partial meniscectomy"
Arthro-: Joint
-scopic: observing
Meniscus: C-shaped cartilage in the knee
-ectomy: Surgical removal
arthroscopy is the "minimally invasive surgery" whereby they open 3 small holes.
It works as advertised, 3 years later and I cannot identify where they cut.
Surgery went great, after 6 weeks I was back on the mats doing light drills
after another few weeks I was rolling normally.
now it's been 3 years and if I were to lose my memory I wouldn't be able to tell there ever was something wrong with that knee.
10/10 for "arthroscopic partial meniscectomy", would recommend.
my level of fear and stress before that minor operation was irrational.
now this 3 years old story is top of mind for me because the same thing is happening on my left knee! fml lol
I most recently hurt my knee while visiting Kyoto, and running down the stairs to catch a metro, after a long of walking (25,000 steps) and training BJJ (Carpe Kyoto, thanks for hosting). Thankfully I didn't fall, but as I was running down and laterally, I could feel my knee buckle and compress, the pain from the swelling the next day was unbearable.
MRI (by the way, Japan has the highest ratio of MRI machines per citizens, by far, of any country in the world)
I had checked this knee 6 months ago because it bothered me already...
#1 source of injury in any sporst is a previous injury
so the doctors have 2 MRIs 6 months apart to compare
1. Bucket-handle tear of the medial meniscus (new)
2. Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) rupture (more distinct than before)
3. Mild injury to the lateral meniscus (new and more prominent than before)
4. Mild injury to the medial collateral ligament and medial patellar retinaculum (new)
5. Enlarged Baker's cyst
6. Increased joint fluid
7. Mild injury to the anterior section and anterior root of the lateral meniscus (new)
quite the list...
I need to choose between :
1) only "arthroscopic partial meniscectomy" on the meniscus, main problem
2) also try to repair the ACL (In Japan they take part of some ligaments from the harmstring or ...shin?). much more invase surgery.
#1 I'd probably recover again within 2 months
#2 it would take 6 months plus, and if successful, lead to a more stable knee
but some doctors recommend that it might be better to keep to #1 and do extra work on rehabiliation and strenghtening all the muscle chains to reduce the stress on the knee
injuries happen
we can get through this
cheers to all my fellow grapplers struggling or having struggled with those setbacks
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
1 year(s) ago
I had a 40% torn ACL (+LCL) a few years back. Doctor said it should be fine after some rehab, just avoid any twisting and increase ROM slowly. Impact training only after 3-4 months. I did my rehab and and less than a year later actually hit new PRs in snatch and squats. And rolling was fine too, like nothing ever happened. Less than a year ago, when I tore the meniscus on that same knee, doc looked at the ACL/LCL too and it was completely healed. This is just my personal experience with knee injuries and surgery, but I'd say try to rehab and "prehab" the knee and train smart to allow time to heal.
That said, doctors actually know what they're talking about and are usually smart, so I'd listen to them. :D
That said, doctors actually know what they're talking about and are usually smart, so I'd listen to them. :D
Black beltVerified
1 year(s) ago
I had a 40% torn ACL (+LCL) a few years back. Doctor said it should be fine after some rehab, just avoid any twisting and increase ROM slowly. Impact training only after 3-4 months. I did my rehab and and less than a year later actually hit new PRs in snatch and squats. And rolling was fine too, like nothing ever happened. Less than a year ago, when I tore the meniscus on that same knee, doc looked at the ACL/LCL too and it was completely healed. This is just my personal experience with knee injuries and surgery, but I'd say try to rehab and 'prehab' the knee and train smart to allow time to heal. That said, doctors actually know what they're talking about and are usually smart, so I'd listen to them. :D
the 40% torn ACL+LCL was completely healed from rehab only? no surgery?
fantastic!
care to share to details on your rehab protocol?
fantastic!
care to share to details on your rehab protocol?
Black beltVerified
1 year(s) ago
I've had 8 knee surgeries between both knees (4 each), and I'm waiting on the 9th. I first blew out the ACL in my left knee when I was 13. I'm 50 now. I have lived almost my entire life with knee injury after knee injury. I had both ACLs replaced at different times in my 20s. The fact that I'm still walking amazes me from time to time. When I was in my 30s I was told by my surgeon that if I was in my late 60s, as the damage and deterioration of my knees suggested, I'd be looking at double replacements. No the injuries weren't all from BJJ. only the last surgery and the upcoming one. They all came from a combination of BJJ, Muay Thai, downhill skiing, soccer, basketball, and being fat. I'll probably return to training after surgery, but I have had so many, "Is it going to be worth it?" conversations in my head since July when this current injury happened. BTW, torn lateral and medial meniscus and a bucket handle tear in the lateral. ACL has held thankfully.
Black beltVerified
1 year(s) ago
How bad is the ACL tear op? Usually when you use the word rupture it means a complete tear. I'd go with option 2 ... yeah the recovery is long but worth it. I've had both my ACLs reconstructed. You need the added stability when it's a full tear ... or alternatively have seriously strong quads and hamstrings to compensate for the rest of your life.
If you are willing to give up on Judo/Wrestling and just train half guard for the rest of your life, option 1 might be good enough, but yeah, forget about ever running down stairs etc.
If you are willing to give up on Judo/Wrestling and just train half guard for the rest of your life, option 1 might be good enough, but yeah, forget about ever running down stairs etc.
Edited 1 year(s) ago
Black beltVerified
1 year(s) ago
How bad is the ACL tear op? Usually when you use the word rupture it means a complete tear. I'd go with option 2 ... yeah the recovery is long but worth it. I've had both my ACLs reconstructed. You need the added stability when it's a full tear ... or alternatively have seriously strong quads and hamstrings to compensate for the rest of your life. If you are willing to give up on Judo/Wrestling and just train half guard for the rest of your life, option 1 might be good enough, but yeah, forget about every running down stairs etc.
edit: I've had a surgeon look at the MRI in the US (father of a friend), he reckons it's 40% ACL tear
his advice is to focus on the meniscus, rehab and let the ACL heal
"Anterior cruciate ligament ACL rupture (more distinct than before)"
comparing to an MRI from 6 months ago.
Japanese is 高度断裂
high-level tear, but not complete rupture either... so I'm guessing Grade 2 on this scale
I'll need to sort that out with the surgeon on Oct.11
I'd like a percentage or specific grade info.
his advice is to focus on the meniscus, rehab and let the ACL heal
"Anterior cruciate ligament ACL rupture (more distinct than before)"
comparing to an MRI from 6 months ago.
Japanese is 高度断裂
high-level tear, but not complete rupture either... so I'm guessing Grade 2 on this scale
I'll need to sort that out with the surgeon on Oct.11
I'd like a percentage or specific grade info.

Edited 1 year(s) ago
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
1 year(s) ago
the 40% torn ACL+LCL was completely healed from rehab only? no surgery? fantastic! care to share to details on your rehab protocol?
I googled what's common practice in physical therapy with my injury. It's relatively easy to find. Key to my progress was probably the consistency, doing the exercises multiple times per day and once acute phase was done, continuing to do the initial exercises along with gym exercises.
I followed the same protocol for my meniscus surgery rehab and my physical therapist was really impressed with the progress I made in just 8 weeks. It has been like 9-10 months now since I tore the meniscus and I'm back to full ROM and have been training normally for a few months. Just hit easy 70 kg snatch and easy 90 kg clean last week, which means I'm getting back to my former lifting shape and timeline-wise it's on par with that ACL/LCL recovery even though I haven't really focused on weightlifting much at all.
Could probably have pushed the training earlier, but I like the slow and steady method, which in the end doesn't seem so slow at all.
I followed the same protocol for my meniscus surgery rehab and my physical therapist was really impressed with the progress I made in just 8 weeks. It has been like 9-10 months now since I tore the meniscus and I'm back to full ROM and have been training normally for a few months. Just hit easy 70 kg snatch and easy 90 kg clean last week, which means I'm getting back to my former lifting shape and timeline-wise it's on par with that ACL/LCL recovery even though I haven't really focused on weightlifting much at all.
Could probably have pushed the training earlier, but I like the slow and steady method, which in the end doesn't seem so slow at all.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
1 year(s) ago
Had my left knee scoped. Still hurts on and off. Oh well.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
1 year(s) ago
Used hamstring graft in both my knees. Had complete tears of both ACL's 20 years apart. No knee pain or aching, if I didn't know I actually had surgery I wouldn't believe it.
Purple beltVerified
1 year(s) ago
Looking back at a surgey with hindsight. I remember being so stressed out when I needed to have my first surgery back in 2021. And scouring the internet for people with similar injuries to know what to expect, even sent a few DMs on here, thanks to those who answered back then! My right knee had been bothering me for a long time back then, first MRI and doctor checks I was told it was normal wear and tear of the meniscus from age... One day doing ippon-seoi drills my knee buckled under the weight of someone barely heavier than me whom I had never had problem lifting. knee was locked, very reduced range of motion. we did some rehabilitation, but the doctor recommended 'arthroscopic partial meniscectomy' Arthro-: Joint -scopic: observing Meniscus: C-shaped cartilage in the knee -ectomy: Surgical removal arthroscopy is the 'minimally invasive surgery' whereby they open 3 small holes. It works as advertised, 3 years later and I cannot identify where they cut. Surgery went great, after 6 weeks I was back on the mats doing light drills after another few weeks I was rolling normally. now it's been 3 years and if I were to lose my memory I wouldn't be able to tell there ever was something wrong with that knee. 10/10 for 'arthroscopic partial meniscectomy', would recommend. my level of fear and stress before that minor operation was irrational. now this 3 years old story is top of mind for me because the same thing is happening on my left knee! fml lol I most recently hurt my knee while visiting Kyoto, and running down the stairs to catch a metro, after a long of walking (25,000 steps) and training BJJ (Carpe Kyoto, thanks for hosting). Thankfully I didn't fall, but as I was running down and laterally, I could feel my knee buckle and compress, the pain from the swelling the next day was unbearable. MRI (by the way, Japan has the highest ratio of MRI machines per citizens, by far, of any country in the world) I had checked this knee 6 months ago because it bothered me already... #1 source of injury in any sporst is a previous injury so the doctors have 2 MRIs 6 months apart to compare 1. Bucket-handle tear of the medial meniscus (new) 2. Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) rupture (more distinct than before) 3. Mild injury to the lateral meniscus (new and more prominent than before) 4. Mild injury to the medial collateral ligament and medial patellar retinaculum (new) 5. Enlarged Baker's cyst 6. Increased joint fluid 7. Mild injury to the anterior section and anterior root of the lateral meniscus (new) quite the list... I need to choose between : 1) only 'arthroscopic partial meniscectomy' on the meniscus, main problem 2) also try to repair the ACL (In Japan they take part of some ligaments from the harmstring or ...shin?). much more invase surgery. #1 I'd probably recover again within 2 months #2 it would take 6 months plus, and if successful, lead to a more stable knee but some doctors recommend that it might be better to keep to #1 and do extra work on rehabiliation and strenghtening all the muscle chains to reduce the stress on the knee injuries happen we can get through this cheers to all my fellow grapplers struggling or having struggled with those setbacks
Hey! Athletic Trainer here.
If you have a complex ACL Ruputre. Where by other structures are damaged. You can take up to 12 months to recover. Which is advisable due to research suggests that re-ruputre rate decreases by 50%. Also to be aware you will always have a 90% limb symmetry deficit in the affected leg.
With the repair for the ACL. You can choose a patella allograft, which is the most sturdy. But you will have pain kneeling for the rest of your life. You can get a Quads graft or a hamstring gract from the unaffected leg. Now getting the Quads and hamstring graft will cause issues in regaining strength and function. But it can be recovered. As for the meniscus. If you have a menisectomy. That will mean zero impact for the rest of life. If you want to prolong the onset of OA due to the shock absorber being removed. As you will have bone on bone friction.
But there is a trend at the moment of having conservative rehab to allow the ACL to repair naturally or you develop enough strength where by you don't need it. I have had a patient opt to not have it as they met all the guideline criteria for rehab progression without having surgery. Just means they have an unstable knee.
I hope this helps in your decision making process.
If you have a complex ACL Ruputre. Where by other structures are damaged. You can take up to 12 months to recover. Which is advisable due to research suggests that re-ruputre rate decreases by 50%. Also to be aware you will always have a 90% limb symmetry deficit in the affected leg.
With the repair for the ACL. You can choose a patella allograft, which is the most sturdy. But you will have pain kneeling for the rest of your life. You can get a Quads graft or a hamstring gract from the unaffected leg. Now getting the Quads and hamstring graft will cause issues in regaining strength and function. But it can be recovered. As for the meniscus. If you have a menisectomy. That will mean zero impact for the rest of life. If you want to prolong the onset of OA due to the shock absorber being removed. As you will have bone on bone friction.
But there is a trend at the moment of having conservative rehab to allow the ACL to repair naturally or you develop enough strength where by you don't need it. I have had a patient opt to not have it as they met all the guideline criteria for rehab progression without having surgery. Just means they have an unstable knee.
I hope this helps in your decision making process.


