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DEEP HALF
7 month(s) ago • 840 views • 27 replies
MBlack beltVerified
7 month(s) ago
Share your tips and tricks! I am being told that this is something I should do because of the other aspects of my "game."
SOUND OFF! It does not matter to me, lets hear the likes and dislikes, as well as the tips and tricks you might have.
SOUND OFF! It does not matter to me, lets hear the likes and dislikes, as well as the tips and tricks you might have.
MGBlack beltVerified
7 month(s) ago
I have been reviewing deep half for the last few weeks. Almost took it completely out on my game but it is so necessary. If you’re not fast with it you can get smeshed pretty easy and/or submitted. Hide the outside arm under opponents leg. Also get used to various entries like building to a high half guard and then diving in or lockdown whip up to deep half. Keep moving underneath, work on penduluming the legs as well as hip and shoulder shrimping. As soon as you're stationary it gets difficult to get them moving again, especially those big boys.
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
7 month(s) ago
I like Half guard, and have been using it for a while, so this is one thing that was something I had tried but kinda gave up on. Now working with a new team, I am being told that it will fit in with many of the things that I already do, like you mentioned the lockdown whip is one. I have also been working on entry from getting butterfly swept, and diving in. It is fun to play with new ideas. EVEN though I am getting smashed while trying.
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
7 month(s) ago
Hide the outside arm under opponents leg. Also get used to various entries like building to a high half guard and then diving in...
Very good advice about hiding the arm, although you'll start doing this automatically when people start grabbing it every time.
I can't emphasize building to some sort of a high half guard/dog fight enough: you have to get them to raise their hips for you to enter underneath. This is the #1 concept I emphasize for my students who are new to deep half, after failing miserably enough times with other concepts.
I can't emphasize building to some sort of a high half guard/dog fight enough: you have to get them to raise their hips for you to enter underneath. This is the #1 concept I emphasize for my students who are new to deep half, after failing miserably enough times with other concepts.
AMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
7 month(s) ago
The first 3 sweeps I ever learned from there still work pretty well for me... over the top, out the back, single leg wrestle up. I like to spam that series a lot. Dodge guillotines with strict head placement. Always pummel and never concede any sort of undertook on our far arm. Tuck our chin. I try to enter the position any time the dude is trying to mount me by hugging the leg I wanna deep half. Very basic but simple and effective deep half game. If I can trap an arm of theirs, the sweeps are even easier.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
7 month(s) ago
It's not very nice, but it is trivial to dislocate your partner's patella, with the barest gesture, once you have their leg locked out.
Saying that, it is logical to punch the deep half guard player's face,
And not to hit them, nicely.
Before he or she can dislocate the patella, or perform Thor's hammer submission, from there.
Saying that, it is logical to punch the deep half guard player's face,
And not to hit them, nicely.
Before he or she can dislocate the patella, or perform Thor's hammer submission, from there.
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
7 month(s) ago
It's not very nice, but it is trivial to dislocate your partner's patella, with the barest gesture, once you have their leg locked out. Saying that, it is logical to punch the deep half guard player's face, And not to hit them, nicely. Before he or she can dislocate the patella, or perform Thor's hammer submission, from there.
I think I am going to tell Professor Geery this advice Sunday. I will make sure he knows who it is from!! LOL, He is the one that is pushing me to try to add this more to my game.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
7 month(s) ago
I think I am going to tell Professor Geery this advice Sunday. I will make sure he knows who it is from!! LOL, He is the one that is pushing me to try to add this more to my game.
I was not contradicting your Professor's advice to you.
Merely being crotchety.
Tell Professor Mike that I said "hello".
Merely being crotchety.
Tell Professor Mike that I said "hello".
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
7 month(s) ago
I was not contradicting your Professor's advice to you. Merely being crotchety. Tell Professor Mike that I said "hello".
I know you were not contradicting his advice! I thought what you said was pretty funny.
DUBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
Deep half is a very valid path to take when option is given to you, even if you just use it as a transition to back / standup or just to off blance to create space. I feel pretty safe in deep half, but I never head to it as my main path, but its nice when others paths are being shutdown.
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I have found, the last few practices when we are live rolling, it has been my goal to get to a good solid deep half. I have been able to get there a hand full of times, but am unable to complete anything into my advantage. I will keep on trying.
DUBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
To get you going, I like to turn toward them bring the free knee up into their hip \ stomach and use that push them away from my head. This makes the underhooked knee very light.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
Deep half is something I adapted already at white belt... Not sure exactly how, since my instructor didn't teach it nor did anybody at my gym particulary play it back then, it just felt natural to pull myself under a person, laying on my back using their tigh as a pillow. Comfy! (Unless you get crossfaced or punched.)
I like to use a longer range guard first (SLX, Z half etc.) but if they leak, the passer has to deal with my deep half next, unless they're very good at avoiding it. It's nice to have a short range "backup" guard if you're about to get passed. It's also the perfect guard to escape to from under mount, back control etc.
Honed basics work for a long time. As Mr. Garrett said, you need to keep the opponent unbalanced all the time, similar to X-Guard where you're also directly under their hips, so that they can't get stable and start working their attacks. It's almost stupid easy to sweep people who don't have much experience dealing with the deep half. That said, good people who know it well... still mostly basics but timing, unbalancing and options pay a much bigger role.
The Homer Simpson / turning to single leg is a good starting point once you can get into position, along with unbalancing / threatening a sweep to both main directions.
I like to use a longer range guard first (SLX, Z half etc.) but if they leak, the passer has to deal with my deep half next, unless they're very good at avoiding it. It's nice to have a short range "backup" guard if you're about to get passed. It's also the perfect guard to escape to from under mount, back control etc.
Honed basics work for a long time. As Mr. Garrett said, you need to keep the opponent unbalanced all the time, similar to X-Guard where you're also directly under their hips, so that they can't get stable and start working their attacks. It's almost stupid easy to sweep people who don't have much experience dealing with the deep half. That said, good people who know it well... still mostly basics but timing, unbalancing and options pay a much bigger role.
The Homer Simpson / turning to single leg is a good starting point once you can get into position, along with unbalancing / threatening a sweep to both main directions.
WKPurple beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
Deep half is something I adapted already at white belt... Not sure exactly how, since my instructor didn't teach it nor did anybody at my gym particulary play it back then, it just felt natural to pull myself under a person, laying on my back using their tigh as a pillow. Comfy! (Unless you get crossfaced or punched.) I like to use a longer range guard first (SLX, Z half etc.) but if they leak, the passer has to deal with my deep half next, unless they're very good at avoiding it. It's nice to have a short range "backup" guard if you're about to get passed. It's also the perfect guard to escape to from under mount, back control etc. Honed basics work for a long time. As Mr. Garrett said, you need to keep the opponent unbalanced all the time, similar to X-Guard where you're also directly under their hips, so that they can't get stable and start working their attacks. It's almost stupid easy to sweep people who don't have much experience dealing with the deep half. That said, good people who know it well... still mostly basics but timing, unbalancing and options pay a much bigger role. The Homer Simpson / turning to single leg is a good starting point once you can get into position, along with unbalancing / threatening a sweep to both main directions.
I hope to take deep half all the way to black belt one day as well. My go to guard
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I hope to take deep half all the way to black belt one day as well. My go to guard
To be honest, I wish that I started using this years ago.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 month(s) ago
Best deep half is the one where you have at least one frame to control the distance with e.g. Ryan Hall's usage of hook(s) under the shin. The "classical" modes of deep half use "pulling" grips and while you can still push on the top person, that's not as good distance managment as it is in case of most other "types" of guards.
This in turn means that it gives the top person chances to base and sit on you and push back etc etc addressing the materialising sweep and back-take attempts as scrambles from bottom=inferior position and this can negate and neutralise many reversals.
This in turn means that it gives the top person chances to base and sit on you and push back etc etc addressing the materialising sweep and back-take attempts as scrambles from bottom=inferior position and this can negate and neutralise many reversals.
EHBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I don't use deep half very often but when do it works as long as stay in postion to not get smashed, but if you've grabbed concepts of balance and weight distribution it can be fun for sweeps and what not especially if other person isn't familure with it throws them off gaurd
KVPurple beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
Anything Half guard(ian) here!
My 2 cents:
- Concepts from Ryan Hall
- Tips and tricks from Jeff Glover
- Proven positional consistency from Bernardo Faria.
My 2 cents:
- Concepts from Ryan Hall
- Tips and tricks from Jeff Glover
- Proven positional consistency from Bernardo Faria.
RBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 month(s) ago
It seems to me that Bernardo is one of the best in the game. That said, you also have to take size into consideration—depending on the size, it can be a completely different story.
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
Anything Half guard(ian) here! My 2 cents: - Concepts from Ryan Hall - Tips and tricks from Jeff Glover - Proven positional consistency from Bernardo Faria.
I agree with Bernado being one of the best in the deep half game!
JUBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I learned most of my deep half concepts from watching Jeff Glover instructionals. I've tried using it sparingly, as I am quite short and I roll frequently with very tall people. It makes it very difficult to extend the leg far enough to be effective, so I usually stay in a lockdown half guard or a knee shield. Damn my short genes! I'll figure it out eventually.
RBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 month(s) ago
I only go for the deep half if I'm pushed there, as last solution. Other than that, not really. It comes with risks. But again, I bring this up, depends on the sizes.
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I only go for the deep half if I'm pushed there, as last solution. Other than that, not really. It comes with risks. But again, I bring this up, depends on the sizes.
I am not sure that I am the correct size!! But one of my professors said he feels it is something that I should use, based on other things I do.
JUBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I am not sure that I am the correct size!! But one of my professors said he feels it is something that I should use, based on other things I do.
I'm very familiar with the feeling of not being the correct size lol
MMegatonOP
Black beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I'm very familiar with the feeling of not being the correct size lol
I always say I have little T-Rex arms and legs!
JUBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
I always say I have little T-Rex arms and legs!
I knew we were internet friends for a reason lol. you and me both bro.
DBlack beltVerified
6 month(s) ago
It's my favorite guard. To properly play it you need to be comfortable with entrance to deep half, deep half when the person's knee is down by your head, deep half when the person's knee is down between your legs and also be comfortable in reverse half guard.
Faria instructionals are solid and the Faria sweep is amazing. His approach with the lapel will protect the arm in danger.
Faria instructionals are solid and the Faria sweep is amazing. His approach with the lapel will protect the arm in danger.
CBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 month(s) ago
Deep half is like a great childhood friend. Don't need to use it much these days and don't prefer to go there too often, but it's always there if needed. It's like my panic button. About to get my back taken, I go to deep half if I miss the Santa guard opportunity. Same with mount. And to escape the mount I often prefer the deep half route anyway. Feels like it's easier to sweep or get up from there vs the regular half guard.
Since I've started developing the "cheese guard" I've pivoted more towards the deep half, depending on the opponent's reaction. Such a reliable tool to have.
And some times I just want to rest and chill. Deep half is a good solution for that.
Since I've started developing the "cheese guard" I've pivoted more towards the deep half, depending on the opponent's reaction. Such a reliable tool to have.
And some times I just want to rest and chill. Deep half is a good solution for that.
