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Corona paranoia

6 year(s) ago • 2678 views • 92 replies

John Landquist
John Landquist
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6 year(s) ago
I'm getting serious doubts whether or not I should compete at Nordic Open this march.
People coming in from different parts of the globe to get cozy as f*ck on the mats...

I think that personally I would probably survive if infected, but I'm worried about my 10 month old baby boy.

It just seems like a gamble with your health.
Whats your opinion on the matter?
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
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6 year(s) ago
Some stats are always helpful. You're more likely to die in a traffic accident on your way to that tournament than from catching an exotic flu.
Adam Meindel
Adam Meindel
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6 year(s) ago
As Christian mentioned, mortality rates seem to be pretty low. Even transmission between two individual in somewhat close proximity is apparently low percentage. I would hope if someone showed up to the tournament sick, it would be noticed and they would be directed to go to the nearest hospital post haste. Knowing all of this you should be able to do your own cost/benefit analysis.

Personally, I'm actually not worried about the virus itself but rather people's panicked reaction to it.
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James Hawley
James Hawley
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6 year(s) ago
I guess it depends where you're at. I've trained at tozi in waegwan, I probably wouldn't hit up an open mat there now.
Even in Okinawa there has only been 3 confirmed cases, but local events are being postponed or limited to people from immediate surrounding areas.
I have family in deagu, so maybe I'm just worried more than I should be.
Lars Söderström
Lars Söderström
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6 year(s) ago
I'm getting serious doubts whether or not I should compete at Nordic Open this march. People coming in from different parts of the globe to get cozy as f*ck on the mats... I think that personally I would probably survive if infected, but I'm worried about my 10 month old baby boy. It just seems like a gamble with your health. Whats your opinion on the matter?
John follow the information from the authorities here in Sweden to get up too date, but at the end of the day, better safe than sorry right.
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
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6 year(s) ago
Common flu kills on average up to 600,000 people every year and that doesn't really keep any of us from living our daily lives :)
James Hawley
James Hawley
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6 year(s) ago
Common flu kills on average up to 600,000 people every year and that doesn't really keep any of us from living our daily lives :)
Yup, but there are no mandatory quarantine, school closures, or travel restrictions over the "seasonal flu". Along with the stress of these precautions. I'm not worried about getting the virus personally. I am concerned about the situation it would cause of there was an outbreak in my community.
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
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6 year(s) ago
Don't lick your opponent and wash your hands before you eat and after going to the bathroom. You should be just fine. Though we all know how nasty the bathrooms get during big tournaments...
Lars Söderström
Lars Söderström
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6 year(s) ago
Don't lick your opponent and wash your hands before you eat and after going to the bathroom. You should be just fine. Though we all know how nasty the bathrooms get during big tournaments...
If i can’t lick my opponent, why should you even compete ;-)
Ngoc King
Ngoc King
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6 year(s) ago
We are coming to Taiwan this March to compete and they announce to postpone the event. Now merely 10 of us from club will try to enjoy the spring trip around Taiwan. All the months training, cutting weight, sorting visas etc. urgh. But I guess the safety comes first.
James Hawley
James Hawley
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6 year(s) ago
We are coming to Taiwan this March to compete and they announce to postpone the event. Now merely 10 of us from club will try to enjoy the spring trip around Taiwan. All the months training, cutting weight, sorting visas etc. urgh. But I guess the safety comes first.
The best thing about committing to a tournament is how much you grow in preperation. I'm sure it was worth it, even if you don't compete.
The one here on the 7th is still on. Looks like Korea too.
Daniël Bertina
Daniël Bertina
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6 year(s) ago
Kops Gym in Amsterdam just announced they will be closed for 6 weeks, because a few of their wrestlers got infected during a competition in Beijing.
Todd Nelson
Todd Nelson
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6 year(s) ago
Try and remember that the testing for COVID-19 is still weak and dramatically under served.
A very large percentage of people in the effected areas, have not even been tested and therefore are not reflected in the above table.

Mortality rates will be statistically much lower when the entire population is able to be tested and a real number of effected individuals is truly known.
Right now the focus is on a very small sectors, around areas where people have known exposure.

I have seen medical reports showing that 80% of people infected with the virus, never show symptoms at all, bringing the threat of death level even lower.
The concern isn't the mortality rate, its the apparent ease at which this virus can spread.

The FLU is far more dangerous, even though there are shots to prevent it.

If you think about this from a global scale, fear breeds ignorance and ignorance will collapse economies.
If the global economy tanks, the rich ride out the storm and buy up everything for dirt when its over, while the poor and middle class end up with nothing.

I would be more afraid of ignorance and fear than the virus.

Common sense dictates we prepare to have our lives disrupted and change our way of thinking a little, but not shelter in and stop living our lives.
I would bet money that the San Francisco case they can not trace to a source was from a package delivered to the person.

Think about that for a moment, no outside contact and no travel yet she still got the virus.
If I am correct and everyone shelters in and orders everything delivered, the delivery services will become the primary source of the spread.

Lets not forget that we face a pandemic threat about every ten years.
Some of us old dudes have seen this several times already in our lifetimes and not once has it been the black plague over again.

HIV kills more people and we aren't screaming about that any more, yet it is still a massive problem for the world.

Most of this is hype to drive ratings, as there isn't much else to talk about out there, that will keep us glued to the feed.



Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
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6 year(s) ago
It seems that Iran has it really fn bad at the moment due to not paying attention in the early phases of the epidemic.
Vince Millett
Vince Millett
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6 year(s) ago
I'm working in England's Covid-19 response, National Incident Control Centre. Be aware that although the mortality rate is low, about 15% of people get very ill indeed. Also, we all know people in the more vulnerable groups so there is a moral duty to try not to spread it even if we're all fit and strong..

Face masks offer little protection as it's not really airborne - but they protect by stopping us touching our noses and mouths 100 times a day as we all do. That's where we'll get infected - off surfaces. So, hand washing and use of alcohol based gels are the most important thing you can do.
Jakub Długosz
Jakub Długosz
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6 year(s) ago
I'm getting serious doubts whether or not I should compete at Nordic Open this march. People coming in from different parts of the globe to get cozy as f*ck on the mats... I think that personally I would probably survive if infected, but I'm worried about my 10 month old baby boy. It just seems like a gamble with your health. Whats your opinion on the matter?
You gamble every time you walk on the mat :)

Stats show the minors are not infected - so don't worry about the kid.
Gerald Fabrot
Gerald Fabrot
Black beltVerified149 forum posts1765/1000
6 year(s) ago
I had a big competition coming in Tokyo (All Japan Masters), 17 people in my division and 27 in the open class!
I was pretty pumped.
Canceled a couple of days prior to the event.

Then they announced that schools would be closed until April.
Next day several gyms/dojo announced they were temporarily closing (mine is automatically refunding folks, nice move)

Several friends then moved on to community centers to train : now these are closing too.

Thanks god I have a competent 16 y/o son at home to train with me!

From a doctor friend in Japan ; "In you, me, our wives, and kids, it’s going to look like a cold. Probably not even the flu. In fact, I’d put money on the fact that I’ve probably been exposed to various coronaviruses for years. Now, if our parents get it, they will be fucked."

That take is an odd mix of reassuring and alarming.

I did a quick projection of those death rates by age group mapped to the demographics of Japan, and it could do loads of damage to the elderly. 2.8 million extra deaths if this goes pandemic (75% of the population infected), in a country of 126 million. (see attachment. Caveat, just wild projections for the uncertain data we have, i'm not an epidemiologist and this is not meant to be precise, just one potential future)

Would someone please think of the children! <<< they're fine
Would someone please think of grand-ma?!

My old man was an heavy smoker for all his life (added risk because of weakened lungs), not in great shape, drinks too much... I don't like a dice throw of 0.4% for me, but I'm not overly concerned. Our elders though... damn it could get ugly.



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