Hi Hannu,

That makes two of us ^^

I did notice the gentleman talking about being a teaching/learning nerd, and it resonated.

https://www.kuzushi.xyz/2[...]ompetence/
I keep a slow-velocity blog about concepts in Jiu Jitsu, and I do believe that a conscious focus on Skill Acquisition is an under-developed element in most academies.

The vibe is overwhelmingly "just show up". Showing up is an absolute pre-requisite, but by itself it is not optimal to skill acquisition.
https://www.kuzushi.xyz/2[...]shu-ha-ri/
https://www.kuzushi.xyz/s[...]quisition/

Cheers from Tokyo,

gerald

Hi Gerald,
Thank you for your comment. I have several blogs about learning and training. I have not been updating mostly because I feel there has not been much feedback. One site is a FB site https://www.facebook.com/[...]ps/mapeda/ I am not going to be active their!

But it would be nice to discuss about how people learn and develop their skills and also how teaching or coaching is understod.

Just browsed your site about skills acquisition. Solid information. My approach is more game based learning and the idea is to argee on a goal, but let the learning find out how.

interesting stuff yes! Me personally im currently trying to apply some systems thinking and modelling on teaching jiu jitsu. Copied with an evauation and learning model im trying to build. Progress is good, faster progress is better.

so heres my approach.

First we evaluate by using the BJJ ladder
1st step: dont get finishd (submission defense, dont get thrown, dont get punched, etc)
2nd step: getting out of a bad spot (escapes to a neutrol position or better, movement)
3rd step: from neutral position to a better position
4th step: maining position
5th step: Finish him!

so e.g. in a competition, one of my guys gets swept from half guard, mounted. His problems: Half guard 4 and Mount 2. Now you add as much specific info as you want, but It works for them to remember their main issue, and for me i use it to spot trends. Last grappling tournament we didnt get the amount of takedowns i wanted, So "standing 3" . the main issue was getting to inside position.

Systems thinking and modelling for designing system components. (e.g. a game vs wrestlers, we call this Squirrel system, main concept we learned from Aaron milam) I tend to use 3 options, sometimes 4, max 5

Then we train the system using this model, important is that if you fail at a step, you do not progress, but rather go back
1 explanation and learn technique (practice a few times)
2 slowly practice without resistance until executed correctly
3 increase speed and resistance until appropriate level
4 drill it until you can execute is at the correct speed and resistance level, at least 10X " perfectly" in a row.
5 Star model . training it in a fixed pattern, use multiple patterns (use a move before, get into the position, and use the move or an alternate depending on resistance)
6 Star model training it in a variable pattern (resistance based, not knowing the counter move in advance, patterns/counters are fixed!)
7 specific sparring.
8 try against lower levels in sparring
9 try against same level and higher
10 competion level


* star system *

we have multiple entries into the focus point. (E.g. butterfly guard) from butterfly guard we have multiple options. these options are based on opponents reactions. (eg. sweeps if he pressures, if he pressures standing we can go for the legs). I usually go for 3 options, if you draw this out, you get a star, hence the name
.
sow now we train defensive entries into butterfly guard, and go into attack depending on what counter move you get with real resistance . Now we are not just training techniques, but training to be better at jiu jitsu.

well long story :D but this is how i currently work

Hi Jochem,

first my question was more like - are we allowed to talk about other subject than ranks and if we are, will there be a dedicated forum for various subject.

I do want to talk about learning, so moderator can stop us, if he sees it nessessary.

It would be nice to see and hear the fine details of your teaching approach. From a quick read it looks very solid and in a way very much similar than modern gyms do it. Call it positional or situanal sparring and progressive resistance. Good stuff. Link to a video clip to a class as an example would give a very much broader understanding. https://youtu.be/CzaHUV3-rag how well does summer camp clip discribe your approach?

I’m planning on doing an off topic forum soon for anything not BJJ related (though world politics discussions will be banned, it’s a pest that I’ll leave to reddit and Facebook)

I'd be fine if it's all bjj related, but not directly related to ranks or belts.
Strength training, competition tactics, gi or finger tape...

Filming bjj?

and my favorate learning and teaching.

I have some people who actively take notes and draw the movements i show in class, and i have some people who like to film it afterwards so they can break it down.

What ive found is coming up when the internet/social media wasn't exploding, i would have to get books to look at stuff outside of my gym at the time. I still have TONS of books and still learn details from them. However now with social media, you tube, etc i find it's easier to study moves, learn new techniques, etc. This is great for me as i have my own school and only see my professor 1-2 times a year. I also have schools nearby and we do seminar exchanges, where i go there and show stuff, and vice versa.

I'm currently laid up with a back injury, so i find myself watching competition footage, BJJ videos and hanging out here a ton.

Hi Hannu, actually no, this is a single class, though it has a few system elements. My last class at Globetrotters’s I used a flow chart on a white board and went from step 1 through 6, i can’t upload the flow chart i think

As one of Jochem's students I can say I like his system and it helps me in my jiu-jitsu journey.
What he didn't mention in his posts is a great quote he does use in class: "Don't only follow my teachings, but do at least 1 thing extra. Train with a friend, watch a video, whatever you like, just do something extra."

So some of us train some extra no-gi, some look at every leg lock video they can find and personally I am a fan of Gracie University. In the gym all these styles combine and blend and roll and.... damn I wanna go training :-)

Just saying I like Jochem's train with me but also do something extra approach.

I do understand that teaching and learning is as personal as rolling. We all have our unique style of rolling and a personal way of teaching. But would it be possible to collect various approaches? Some how compare atleast concepts behind an approach? Maybe starting from something easy like how do you teach a perinpolo... or something...

In our Gym I teach a youth and a beginners class. For any technique that I show I'll go through the following four steps.

1. Show the technique as a whole without any comments
This way they get the general concept and end result of the move. If you start talking and explaining before they know where you go, they can't put your tips and comments in the right perspective

2. Show the technique and tell what I am doing (I grab his arm)
3. Show the technique and tell how I am doing it (I grab this arm with a monkey grip, see like this)
4. Show the technique and tell why I am doing it that way (If I use the thumb full grip, he can pull away, see. With the monkey grip he's stuck)

Edit: I didn't invent this myself it's the so called slice presentation formula from Gracie University

This way I hope they remember the details better than when I tell everything at once.

I've watched GU content too. Also bjjconcepts has an instructors program (Followed it too). Grapplers Guide has a new fundamentals section which might also be a good new way of seeing grappling.

Very interesting would be to hear when instructors are using a model where you teach a technique - like explain and show how a move is done ( like in Bert's example) vs when situation is learned by goal or intention. (Technique or move is not even shown, but learner needs to figure out their natural way to get to where they want to be.)

Maybe a first question is what are we teaching?
a) A technique
b) How to move
c) What do you want to do - like where you should be in relation of your opponent - where should you try to go (what is the direction you might want to go...kind of intention in the situation...

I often like my own ideas :-)

So the logic is - if we first discuss what is learning and how we learn, maybe that can be mirrowed to how we could teach. (No on size fits all - I know!)