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Visualization and mental rehearsal for Jiu-jitsu or your grappling disciplines
5 year(s) ago • 2214 views • 40 replies
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yes.
As often as I feel like it.
Try to remember to do it when I'm idling e.g. waiting for smth or before falling asleep.
Yes. Helps to consolidate and integrate new techniques.
As often as I feel like it.
Try to remember to do it when I'm idling e.g. waiting for smth or before falling asleep.
Yes. Helps to consolidate and integrate new techniques.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Who among us incorporates it? How often? What is your technique...how do you go about it? Do you benefit from this type of training or think it is not effective for you? Specifically, I am talking about seeing the moves in your mind in as much detail as one can manage. I am not talking about seeing oneself winning the Gold medal or some other endeavor. This is a different kind of visualization, which I believe is also very effective, but not what I mean.
10 minutes before I arrive to class I turn off the music and think about what my points of focus will be from each position I may end up in while sparring.
Seeing what I need to work on the most and maybe also what I will try to avoid that I already know I am good at. For example if I catch a Kimura from n/south position I already know I can finish it so I won't even bother and transition straight into working on an armbar or mounted triangle setup.
If I already know I can get certain sweeps on someone then I may fake those sweeps to set up a different sweep or If I know I can land long-distance attacks/sweeps or easily play guard with a distance game against someone I may try to see if I can set up a close-range guard of attacks/sweeps instead as different body types and styles can be countered through different methods of distance management.
I just try to keep making sure that I am expanding my spider web of the A and B game that works for me and so on and not allow myself to be limited by turning the learning experience into a puzzle where you put one random piece together at a time...I need to be able to connect all the dots together and transition through them like a spider web. And I must force myself to not just do what I am best at but to actually get better at the things that connect to what I am best and worst at so the web can actually grow and expand instead of just becoming thicker at the same points.
Seeing what I need to work on the most and maybe also what I will try to avoid that I already know I am good at. For example if I catch a Kimura from n/south position I already know I can finish it so I won't even bother and transition straight into working on an armbar or mounted triangle setup.
If I already know I can get certain sweeps on someone then I may fake those sweeps to set up a different sweep or If I know I can land long-distance attacks/sweeps or easily play guard with a distance game against someone I may try to see if I can set up a close-range guard of attacks/sweeps instead as different body types and styles can be countered through different methods of distance management.
I just try to keep making sure that I am expanding my spider web of the A and B game that works for me and so on and not allow myself to be limited by turning the learning experience into a puzzle where you put one random piece together at a time...I need to be able to connect all the dots together and transition through them like a spider web. And I must force myself to not just do what I am best at but to actually get better at the things that connect to what I am best and worst at so the web can actually grow and expand instead of just becoming thicker at the same points.
Edited 5 year(s) ago
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
10 minutes before I arrive to class I turn off the music and think about what my points of focus will be from each position I may end up in while sparring. Seeing what I need to work on the most and maybe also what I will try to avoid that I already know I am good at. For example if I catch a Kimura from n/south position I already know I can finish it so I won't even bother and transition straight into working on an armbar or mounted triangle setup. If I already know I can get certain sweeps on someone then I may fake those sweeps to set up a different sweep or If I know I can land long-distance attacks/sweeps or easily play guard with a distance game against someone I may try to see if I can set up a close-range guard of attacks/sweeps instead as different body types and styles can be countered through different methods of distance management. I just try to keep making sure that I am expanding my spider web of the A and B game that works for me and so on and not allow myself to be limited by turning the learning experience into a puzzle where you put one random piece together at a time...I need to be able to connect all the dots together and transition through them like a spider web. And I must force myself to not just do what I am best at but to actually get better at the things that connect to what I am best and worst at so the web can actually grow and expand instead of just becoming thicker at the same points.
Ah, so you may use it to prime yourself to use a different move...to do a move you are not used to, less comfortable with, or not as high a percentage for you.
I like that aspect. I've never consciously used it. I have considered, and I may daydream about doing the same as you suggest, ie seeing myself perform a move I am less comfortable doing.
It would be a great primer!
Thank you
I like that aspect. I've never consciously used it. I have considered, and I may daydream about doing the same as you suggest, ie seeing myself perform a move I am less comfortable doing.
It would be a great primer!
Thank you
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yes. As often as I feel like it. Try to remember to do it when I'm idling e.g. waiting for smth or before falling asleep. Yes. Helps to consolidate and integrate new techniques.
Thank you! Visualizing or mental rehearsal is a very personal thing and in many ways complicated to explain in any detail about how one begins, goes through, and ends.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
This sounds like a problem. Can you get early to a class to drill with a buddy, or stay after? Or get somebody on some kind of a suitable surface somewhere else to practice the moves until you got em.
This is a common problem I experienced and still experience... our school has 6 black belts from all over the country, all of them far superior to my own skill level. Were blessed with a diversity of styles that I would have loved to experience back in the day when a purple belt was next to the godlike black belt status.
We go over a technique and never see it again
I find myself at the end of the week spending an hour or 2 just re hashing the weeks lessons.
This was a complaint I often had coming up in the trade. Complaining inside my head of course. I wasn’t that white belt that questioned the Master. I did as I was told until I was accepted by the rest of the herd “purple belt on.”
I have to drill and do things over and over and sometimes to the point of short bus level before it finally clicks.
Whereas I’ve always felt that everyone around me can look at picture of a technique and say aweeeeee yeah I got this. I find this is a real issue with many academies and could quite possibly be responsible for the blue belt blues phenomenon that seems to curse the sport.
Not everybody is a prodigy like BJ Penn
Me personally, I compare myself to the lowly salmon. Beating myself against the rocks climbing the river to mate.Beaten and tattered at the end of my journey which the journey of course is figuring out the technique lol
We go over a technique and never see it again
I find myself at the end of the week spending an hour or 2 just re hashing the weeks lessons.
This was a complaint I often had coming up in the trade. Complaining inside my head of course. I wasn’t that white belt that questioned the Master. I did as I was told until I was accepted by the rest of the herd “purple belt on.”
I have to drill and do things over and over and sometimes to the point of short bus level before it finally clicks.
Whereas I’ve always felt that everyone around me can look at picture of a technique and say aweeeeee yeah I got this. I find this is a real issue with many academies and could quite possibly be responsible for the blue belt blues phenomenon that seems to curse the sport.
Not everybody is a prodigy like BJ Penn
Me personally, I compare myself to the lowly salmon. Beating myself against the rocks climbing the river to mate.Beaten and tattered at the end of my journey which the journey of course is figuring out the technique lol
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
This is a common problem I experienced and still experience... our school has 6 black belts from all over the country, all of them far superior to my own skill level. Were blessed with a diversity of styles that I would have loved to experience back in the day when a purple belt was next to the godlike black belt status. We go over a technique and never see it again I find myself at the end of the week spending an hour or 2 just re hashing the weeks lessons. This was a complaint I often had coming up in the trade. Complaining inside my head of course. I wasn’t that white belt that questioned the Master. I did as I was told until I was accepted by the rest of the herd “purple belt on.” I have to drill and do things over and over and sometimes to the point of short bus level before it finally clicks. Whereas I’ve always felt that everyone around me can look at picture of a technique and say aweeeeee yeah I got this. I find this is a real issue with many academies and could quite possibly be responsible for the blue belt blues phenomenon that seems to curse the sport. Not everybody is a prodigy like BJ Penn Me personally, I compare myself to the lowly salmon. Beating myself against the rocks climbing the river to mate.Beaten and tattered at the end of my journey which the journey of course is figuring out the technique lol
"Beating myself against the rocks climbing the river to mate.Beaten and tattered at the end of my journey which the journey of course is figuring out the technique "
I like that Imagery.
I like that Imagery.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
'Beating myself against the rocks climbing the river to mate.Beaten and tattered at the end of my journey which the journey of course is figuring out the technique ' I like that Imagery.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
man i sometimes feel like i spend ages in the matrix
especially since corona and all those lockdowns
i literally sometimes sit there on the couch or in my bed
sometimes for hours and go through stuff, plan seminars, classes etc...
and most importantly i experiment alot in my mind
its much easier, you can go through many ideas and principles quickly
and then write notes to try out the ideas that seemed legit.
(i was doing the same as white and bluebelt for example but it was much less effective and often my imagination didnt quite match reality which i would notice when i try out what i thought about, but nowadays its pretty much 95% accurate and almost everything i consider worth trying actually works...)
either way mental jiu jitsu helped me devolp my bjj alot
especially since corona and all those lockdowns
i literally sometimes sit there on the couch or in my bed
sometimes for hours and go through stuff, plan seminars, classes etc...
and most importantly i experiment alot in my mind
its much easier, you can go through many ideas and principles quickly
and then write notes to try out the ideas that seemed legit.
(i was doing the same as white and bluebelt for example but it was much less effective and often my imagination didnt quite match reality which i would notice when i try out what i thought about, but nowadays its pretty much 95% accurate and almost everything i consider worth trying actually works...)
either way mental jiu jitsu helped me devolp my bjj alot
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
man i sometimes feel like i spend ages in the matrix especially since corona and all those lockdowns i literally sometimes sit there on the couch or in my bed sometimes for hours and go through stuff, plan seminars, classes etc... and most importantly i experiment alot in my mind its much easier, you can go through many ideas and principles quickly and then write notes to try out the ideas that seemed legit. (i was doing the same as white and bluebelt for example but it was much less effective and often my imagination didnt quite match reality which i would notice when i try out what i thought about, but nowadays its pretty much 95% accurate and almost everything i consider worth trying actually works...) either way mental jiu jitsu helped me devolp my bjj alot
I think it does too! I think that it has a tremendous amount of power. I used it successfully in other areas, it is only natural that it is a way to get some repetitions in your mind.
"mental practice which is known as the principle of functional equivalence. This principle focuses on central mechanisms as well, and as such proposes that the simulation of a movement (i.e., motor imagery) and the execution of a movement are functionally equivalent. Thus, as stated by the functional equivalence principle, mental practice to some extent involves the same underlying structures and covert processes as physical practice"
This is not a proper way to cite the literature, but here you go. The link below is where I got some info. In the Introduction section 8th paragraph.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC3990621/
"mental practice which is known as the principle of functional equivalence. This principle focuses on central mechanisms as well, and as such proposes that the simulation of a movement (i.e., motor imagery) and the execution of a movement are functionally equivalent. Thus, as stated by the functional equivalence principle, mental practice to some extent involves the same underlying structures and covert processes as physical practice"
This is not a proper way to cite the literature, but here you go. The link below is where I got some info. In the Introduction section 8th paragraph.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC3990621/
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I have to do positive visualization to cope with my tournament anxiety. Almost in a meditative state. Huge focus on problem solving through worst case scenarios.
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I have to do positive visualization to cope with my tournament anxiety. Almost in a meditative state. Huge focus on problem solving through worst case scenarios.
While I do not participate in Jiu-jitsu competition, I do compete in other areas, mainly because that is the best way to inoculate or expose myself to those situations and stressors, ie: I cannot shoot the way I can in competition because competition shooting is what brings all those things together.
When I am visualizing a group of techniques to help learn them, I also feel it is meditative.
When I am visualizing a group of techniques to help learn them, I also feel it is meditative.


