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Have some Hespetch! [change my view]
5 year(s) ago • 1564 views • 44 replies
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Doing an accent that has say a sexy association and not used for ridicule e.g. Spanish/Italian/French etc, less likely to offend.
Well I'm offended that you didn't list Finnish as an example of an accent with a sexy association!
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Well I'm offended that you didn't list Finnish as an example of an accent with a sexy association!
Watched this before considering committing Seppuku (ritual suicide)
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]BPDL6iqluk
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]BPDL6iqluk
ADPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Doing an accent that has say a sexy association and not used for ridicule e.g. Spanish/Italian/French etc, less likely to offend.
As an English teacher in France. I always say this to my (adult and french) students "if anyone says your accent is beautiful, they're either lying, and they want to get in your pants, because it is the ugliest accent in English by far."
I'm glad i worked my way to making my accent the least obvious possible because I ate quite a bit of shit before that ha ha ha!
I'm glad i worked my way to making my accent the least obvious possible because I ate quite a bit of shit before that ha ha ha!
DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
As an English teacher in France. I always say this to my (adult and french) students 'if anyone says your accent is beautiful, they're either lying, and they want to get in your pants, because it is the ugliest accent in English by far.' I'm glad i worked my way to making my accent the least obvious possible because I ate quite a bit of shit before that ha ha ha!
lol, yeah I was picturing Sophie Marceau speaking when I wrote that, as opposed to well, Gerard Depardieu.
ADPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
lol, yeah I was picturing Sophie Marceau speaking when I wrote that, as opposed to well, Gerard Depardieu.
Ha ha ha, see, you're not finding her accent sexy, you're finding HER sexy.
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I am a big fan of comedian Nigel Ng and his persona of Uncle Roger.
I have adopted his use of "HaiYAAA" while cooking, and stand by this use of cultural appropriation.
I have also, on occasion, summoned my inner Wallid Ismael while teaching class. It is known to increase pressure in passing by at least 25%.
It's all in jest, and people who get offended over this can go pound sand.
I have adopted his use of "HaiYAAA" while cooking, and stand by this use of cultural appropriation.
I have also, on occasion, summoned my inner Wallid Ismael while teaching class. It is known to increase pressure in passing by at least 25%.
It's all in jest, and people who get offended over this can go pound sand.
JPBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
We have black, white, Asian, Jewish, Mexican, Indian, male, female, Catholic, Protestant, atheist, young, old, liberal, conservative, etc. on the mats at any given time. There are always jokes and ribbing. I think we have a good culture of being able to "have fun" with someone's beliefs and background without "making fun." There's a difference.
PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
A lot of it comes from how well you know people.. I am actually pretty bad as when I talk I have zero filter but for some reason people seem to be cool with it as they can generally tell there is no intent but I can see if someone met me the first time they may take issue and honestly I live life to have fun if i offend someone I will freely apologize
DKBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Thank you everyone for your feedback, it's been very helpful in informing/solidifying my viewpoints. Two things in particular:
The idea of 'American parties' helped flip the table on me. I was unaware that such a thing existed, but the way it's being described, I think I would enjoy good natured laughing 'at' Americans. However, if I were invited to one with that expectation, and got there to find out that everyone was doing 'hur dur, I'm a dumb american, look at me', I wouldn't enjoy that at all, and it would sour any prior friendship.
'Punching up' vs 'punching down'. Many of the respondents here have been in the community for a while, and their experience with this is making fun of the authority figure (punching up). My main experience with it has been with a room full of non-Brazilians, where the upper belts are doing these fake accents, and then I see a day-1 Brazilian white belt walk in. I am pretty sure they did not want to come back after that experience. If it was someone I knew from beforehand, yes, I might be able to explain it to them, and tell them to 'toughen up', but that's not a great way to be introduced to the community.
I think that being able to joke around with people is critical to a healthy community. For example, I have an Aikido background, so I'm known as the wristlocker at my gym (and also the one with other troll moves, like baseball bat from bottom of mount). Joking around with people you know is much easier, as is joking around as a comedian. Joking around in a constantly revolving personal community is much harder to 'get right'. I don't feel particularly attached to being able to make these specific types of jokes, it's not a core component of who I am. I'm happy to 'give up' this small part of what I was doing, if it helps create a better, more welcoming community for others. Everyone has a different line about what minor or unimportant things they are willing to give up, if it has the potential to help others. I'm not trying to make that decision for anyone else.
There was also a response that has since been edited or removed with words like 'snowflake' and 'safe space', which was not at all helpful in this discussion. Thank you to whoever edited or removed that, either voluntarily or through moderation. Shaming someone for being so stupid as to ask a question to better understand a potential cross-cultural issue is not something I would hope to see in this community.
The idea of 'American parties' helped flip the table on me. I was unaware that such a thing existed, but the way it's being described, I think I would enjoy good natured laughing 'at' Americans. However, if I were invited to one with that expectation, and got there to find out that everyone was doing 'hur dur, I'm a dumb american, look at me', I wouldn't enjoy that at all, and it would sour any prior friendship.
'Punching up' vs 'punching down'. Many of the respondents here have been in the community for a while, and their experience with this is making fun of the authority figure (punching up). My main experience with it has been with a room full of non-Brazilians, where the upper belts are doing these fake accents, and then I see a day-1 Brazilian white belt walk in. I am pretty sure they did not want to come back after that experience. If it was someone I knew from beforehand, yes, I might be able to explain it to them, and tell them to 'toughen up', but that's not a great way to be introduced to the community.
I think that being able to joke around with people is critical to a healthy community. For example, I have an Aikido background, so I'm known as the wristlocker at my gym (and also the one with other troll moves, like baseball bat from bottom of mount). Joking around with people you know is much easier, as is joking around as a comedian. Joking around in a constantly revolving personal community is much harder to 'get right'. I don't feel particularly attached to being able to make these specific types of jokes, it's not a core component of who I am. I'm happy to 'give up' this small part of what I was doing, if it helps create a better, more welcoming community for others. Everyone has a different line about what minor or unimportant things they are willing to give up, if it has the potential to help others. I'm not trying to make that decision for anyone else.
There was also a response that has since been edited or removed with words like 'snowflake' and 'safe space', which was not at all helpful in this discussion. Thank you to whoever edited or removed that, either voluntarily or through moderation. Shaming someone for being so stupid as to ask a question to better understand a potential cross-cultural issue is not something I would hope to see in this community.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Thank you everyone for your feedback, it's been very helpful in informing/solidifying my viewpoints. Two things in particular: The idea of 'American parties' helped flip the table on me. I was unaware that such a thing existed, but the way it's being described, I think I would enjoy good natured laughing 'at' Americans. However, if I were invited to one with that expectation, and got there to find out that everyone was doing 'hur dur, I'm a dumb american, look at me', I wouldn't enjoy that at all, and it would sour any prior friendship. 'Punching up' vs 'punching down'. Many of the respondents here have been in the community for a while, and their experience with this is making fun of the authority figure (punching up). My main experience with it has been with a room full of non-Brazilians, where the upper belts are doing these fake accents, and then I see a day-1 Brazilian white belt walk in. I am pretty sure they did not want to come back after that experience. If it was someone I knew from beforehand, yes, I might be able to explain it to them, and tell them to 'toughen up', but that's not a great way to be introduced to the community. I think that being able to joke around with people is critical to a healthy community. For example, I have an Aikido background, so I'm known as the wristlocker at my gym (and also the one with other troll moves, like baseball bat from bottom of mount). Joking around with people you know is much easier, as is joking around as a comedian. Joking around in a constantly revolving personal community is much harder to 'get right'. I don't feel particularly attached to being able to make these specific types of jokes, it's not a core component of who I am. I'm happy to 'give up' this small part of what I was doing, if it helps create a better, more welcoming community for others. Everyone has a different line about what minor or unimportant things they are willing to give up, if it has the potential to help others. I'm not trying to make that decision for anyone else. There was also a response that has since been edited or removed with words like 'snowflake' and 'safe space', which was not at all helpful in this discussion. Thank you to whoever edited or removed that, either voluntarily or through moderation. Shaming someone for being so stupid as to ask a question to better understand a potential cross-cultural issue is not something I would hope to see in this community.
Part of self-defense training is to teach your students to be immune to compliments or insults.
One day their idol could be coaching their opponent.
Or, their idol could be their opponent.
And nothing that their opponents, or their opponents' corners, or random people say,
should be given the ability to rattle them, or their mental game.
Similarly, they must not crave compliments,
otherwise they will be mentally weak.
This, too, is part of training.
And the production of independent self-defense students.
It is also a useful preventative self-defense against
being easy to manipulate, or from being groomed into bad spots by predators.
And people trained to violence should be able to laugh at themselves,
because it is better to avoid or diffuse a situation through humor,
then it is, to have to hurt someone, even if in self-defense.
Sadly, it is not always possible to diffuse tense or dangerous situations through humor,
but the world be a better place if it was so.
One day their idol could be coaching their opponent.
Or, their idol could be their opponent.
And nothing that their opponents, or their opponents' corners, or random people say,
should be given the ability to rattle them, or their mental game.
Similarly, they must not crave compliments,
otherwise they will be mentally weak.
This, too, is part of training.
And the production of independent self-defense students.
It is also a useful preventative self-defense against
being easy to manipulate, or from being groomed into bad spots by predators.
And people trained to violence should be able to laugh at themselves,
because it is better to avoid or diffuse a situation through humor,
then it is, to have to hurt someone, even if in self-defense.
Sadly, it is not always possible to diffuse tense or dangerous situations through humor,
but the world be a better place if it was so.
Edited 5 year(s) ago
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've never used any of those terms, I've also wondered about the "is this offensive to Brazilians?" aspect.
However, mainly I just don't find it funny. IMO, the Renato Laranja comedy character is extremely annoying rather than amusing, but then comedy is subjective. So, to each their own.
However, mainly I just don't find it funny. IMO, the Renato Laranja comedy character is extremely annoying rather than amusing, but then comedy is subjective. So, to each their own.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've never used any of those terms, I've also wondered about the 'is this offensive to Brazilians?' aspect. However, mainly I just don't find it funny. IMO, the Renato Laranja comedy character is extremely annoying rather than amusing, but then comedy is subjective. So, to each their own.
I'll bite.
What Comedy stylings do you enjoy?
What Comedy stylings do you enjoy?
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I'll bite. What Comedy stylings do you enjoy?
Blackadder, Father Ted, The Young Ones, The Good Place, Frasier, Toast and The IT Crowd is more my speed. In terms of stand up, people like Maria Bamford, Kate Smurthwaite, Bridget Christie, Bill Bailey, Eddie Izzard, etc.
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've never used any of those terms, I've also wondered about the 'is this offensive to Brazilians?' aspect. However, mainly I just don't find it funny. IMO, the Renato Laranja comedy character is extremely annoying rather than amusing, but then comedy is subjective. So, to each their own.
It's hard to take you seriously with that gi.
JK. Truly.
JK. Truly.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
