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Sexual harassment/assault in BJJ
5 year(s) ago • 2622 views • 41 replies
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I’m not sure that should qualify as any sort of difficult to decision for anyone to have made, to be honest. Wasn’t fishing for credit for it, just to be clear.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I’m not sure that should qualify as any sort of difficult to decision for anyone to have made, to be honest.
I agree, It absolutely shouldn't be a hard decision to say "sorry, rapists can't compete in our tournaments/attend our camps etc" .
But yeah, very sadly the IBJJF continues to have no issues letting the arseholes from TLI compete and stay involved in other ways.
But yeah, very sadly the IBJJF continues to have no issues letting the arseholes from TLI compete and stay involved in other ways.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
But yeah, very sadly the IBJJF continues to have no issues letting the arseholes from TLI compete and stay involved in other ways.
As you know, I have maybe been one of the loudest anti-Lloyd guys from nearly day one and have had to be around him and his team my entire BJJ career. That being said, I am friends with a lot of his people (mostly EX-people) and don't really feel there's much for me to say about that place now that Ryan and Nakapan and Mike Fowler and Keenan are all saying it better.
But this is EXTREMELY disappointing:
https://www.fairtex.com/t[...]aining/bjj
But considering his background, not a surprising location to end up.
But this is EXTREMELY disappointing:
https://www.fairtex.com/t[...]aining/bjj
But considering his background, not a surprising location to end up.
MGPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
What surprises me the most is that you still see these people around. Even if I was just falsely accused of the things they have done I would disappear. Maybe I’m just a coward though.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
What surprises me the most is that you still see these people around. Even if I was just falsely accused of the things they have done I would disappear. Maybe I’m just a coward though.
They relish in the accusations
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
They relish in the accusations
Enter the use of the phrase "haters/z", to brush off all legitimate objections to the way things were / and are being run there...
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Enter the use of the phrase 'haters/z', to brush off all legitimate objections to the way things were / and are being run there...
Exactly. Always the cop out when you're in a cult. How do you know when you're dealing with a sociopath who's ends always justify the means? When you question someone's ethics and their response is "I own a car with a gold-plated engine compartment. Do you?"
True story.
True story.
BVBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I'm curious as to what systems/steps gym owners and instructors have taken in their gyms to try and eliminate this dynamic of sexual harassment, inappropriate relationships, etc.... How do you incorporate women's voices into the conversation in your gym? I feel I have a healthy culture in my gym with strong female representation, but I am still working on/brainstorming how to proactively tackle this issue from a cultural perspective.
I believe in the notion that it "starts from the top", and I work to model healthy gym relationships defined by our BJJ experience, but I don't think that's enough. I have written "Instructor Guidelines" where I address some things about coaching, such as where you can touch students, etc.... I make my assistant instructors take an online sexual harassment course, in addition to the US Safe Sport online course. I think this is a good start, but would love to build on this to continue to create safe environments for both women and children.
I appreciate this thread, and think it would be great to collectively build stronger systems to create a welcoming mat experience for everyone.
I believe in the notion that it "starts from the top", and I work to model healthy gym relationships defined by our BJJ experience, but I don't think that's enough. I have written "Instructor Guidelines" where I address some things about coaching, such as where you can touch students, etc.... I make my assistant instructors take an online sexual harassment course, in addition to the US Safe Sport online course. I think this is a good start, but would love to build on this to continue to create safe environments for both women and children.
I appreciate this thread, and think it would be great to collectively build stronger systems to create a welcoming mat experience for everyone.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I'm curious as to what systems/steps gym owners and instructors have taken in their gyms to try and eliminate this dynamic of sexual harassment, inappropriate relationships, etc.... How do you incorporate women's voices into the conversation in your gym? I feel I have a healthy culture in my gym with strong female representation, but I am still working on/brainstorming how to proactively tackle this issue from a cultural perspective. I believe in the notion that it 'starts from the top', and I work to model healthy gym relationships defined by our BJJ experience, but I don't think that's enough. I have written 'Instructor Guidelines' where I address some things about coaching, such as where you can touch students, etc.... I make my assistant instructors take an online sexual harassment course, in addition to the US Safe Sport online course. I think this is a good start, but would love to build on this to continue to create safe environments for both women and children. I appreciate this thread, and think it would be great to collectively build stronger systems to create a welcoming mat experience for everyone.
I've only ever had a single complaint about a student in this regard and it was taken care of, immediately. I also had a student/coach at one point that was EXTREMELY angry with minorities and women on social media and we fired him and he's not welcome back at my gym.
That's my system. Bad people get removed.
That's my system. Bad people get removed.
BSBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've only ever had a single complaint about a student in this regard and it was taken care of, immediately. I also had a student/coach at one point that was EXTREMELY angry with minorities and women on social media and we fired him and he's not welcome back at my gym. That's my system. Bad people get removed.
sounds like you're doing it absolutely right. No one should feel fearful in regard to their safety/training partners. I'm thankful I haven't met any truly terrible people at my current gym but I think my coach does a good job of keeping things on the up and up.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
How do you incorporate women's voices into the conversation in your gym?
I've made a concerted effort over the years to bring women into authority positions in my gym. That's been effective so far, with several women I've taught who have gone from brand new white belts to experienced instructors. I think it helps a lot for prospective female students to see another woman teaching a class.
JPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
It may seem counterintuitive, but I've noticed a few sexually aggressive women on the mats during my short time (of all belt levels). So much so that my wife told me I wasn't allowed to roll with certain women at my gym after seeing super sexy Instagram posts in gis two sizes too small. On a few occasions I've come away from rolling thinking my female partner was doing something inappropriate, but just couldn't put my finger on exactly what. Honestly, I'm too old to think on it too much because I'm more likely to want to throw up after class than engage in the overly complicated machinations of an extra-marital affair, but there are people who engage in this stuff on both sides of the gender divide at every gym.
If I were to answer a survey, I would say I've never experienced sexual harassment though, and that may be the difference between men and women in some cases.
If I were to answer a survey, I would say I've never experienced sexual harassment though, and that may be the difference between men and women in some cases.
