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Sambo could be in the Olympics... an interesting chance for BJJ athletes to crossover?
5 year(s) ago • 5570 views • 37 replies
JWBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Not to get to far off the rails, but there is an alternative to Olympic Judo rules(besides Sambo), and that is the freestyle Judo movement. It would be a better fit for BJJ people(I do well there and so do other BJJ people). It is a movement to take Judo back to its roots, after the IJF and IOC screwed up the rules for Olympic Judo, something that many of us in the Sambo community hope won't happen with Sambo, should it become a full Olympic sport.
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I think the main point here would be that through Sambo, BJJ guys could compete in the Olympics (because for some reason people think that is important). I don't think anyone is really looking to just compete in another style if it's not in Relation to being in the Olympics. There are plenty of open tournaments to try your luck at.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Kata guruma wasn't added out of Kano's interest in wrestling but that it was something he found in a wrestling book while trying to look outside jujutsu to throw Fukushima Kanekichi when everything else he tried hadn't worked. That's not to say he didn't appreciate wrestling, but it's disingenuous to claim it's included out of his interest so much as he found the technique in a book and it was effective against a larger and more skilled training partner.
Kano was a serious student of all things Western.
There is no reason to think that he did not inject Judo with a lot of techniques borrowed from Western wrestling.
He certainly borrowed techniques from Sumo wrestling, which was an import of Mongol belt wrestling.
Even sushi was an import from China.
Japan had very little going for it, from a martial arts perspective, or a military perspective, until it adopted Western military methods, and compared to Korea, let alone China, came late to literacy, and was isolated, and very behind, until it opened.
Most of the Samurai legends are simply revisionist history, and folklore, and even more so regarding all that crap about ninjas.
But it all make for very good comic books, and movies. And professional wrestling type character references during shows.
There is no reason to think that he did not inject Judo with a lot of techniques borrowed from Western wrestling.
He certainly borrowed techniques from Sumo wrestling, which was an import of Mongol belt wrestling.
Even sushi was an import from China.
Japan had very little going for it, from a martial arts perspective, or a military perspective, until it adopted Western military methods, and compared to Korea, let alone China, came late to literacy, and was isolated, and very behind, until it opened.
Most of the Samurai legends are simply revisionist history, and folklore, and even more so regarding all that crap about ninjas.
But it all make for very good comic books, and movies. And professional wrestling type character references during shows.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Freestyle Judo, while super cool, seems like a very small movement and I don't know if it has any reach outside US?
DBBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Kano was a serious student of all things Western. There is no reason to think that he did not inject Judo with a lot of techniques borrowed from Western wrestling. He certainly borrowed techniques from Sumo wrestling, which was an import of Mongol belt wrestling. Even sushi was an import from China. Japan had very little going for it, from a martial arts perspective, or a military perspective, until it adopted Western military methods, and compared to Korea, let alone China, came late to literacy, and was isolated, and very behind, until it opened. Most of the Samurai legends are simply revisionist history, and folklore, and even more so regarding all that crap about ninjas. But it all make for very good comic books, and movies. And professional wrestling type character references during shows.
Kano was a serious student of all things Western, but his memoirs detail the story of how he struggled to throw Fukushima Kanekichi, tried every jujutsu technique he knew at the time, asked friends who did sumo to help him find techniques, and then eventually found a western wrestling book that he was flipping through and found what he'd develop into kata guruma.
It's not a matter of speculation to say he didn't inject this technique from his interest in wrestling, it's a well-established story in judo's history that Kano himself has shared. There's certainly no reason to believe techniques like morote gari or even kuchiki taoshi didn't come from wrestling, but kata guruma exists as one that we can point to Kano's own telling of how it got included.
It's not a matter of speculation to say he didn't inject this technique from his interest in wrestling, it's a well-established story in judo's history that Kano himself has shared. There's certainly no reason to believe techniques like morote gari or even kuchiki taoshi didn't come from wrestling, but kata guruma exists as one that we can point to Kano's own telling of how it got included.
DBBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Freestyle Judo, while super cool, seems like a very small movement and I don't know if it has any reach outside US?
I'm not aware of any Freestyle Judo outside the US and think you'd actually have an easier time finding tournaments using the Kodokan rules outside the US, which is arguably a better rule set than Freestyle Judo too.
In terms of sports that BJJ folks could find themselves doing at an Olympic level, I'm hopeful that UWW Grappling would be that avenue, but it's got a ways to go before being considered for Olympic inclusion.
In terms of sports that BJJ folks could find themselves doing at an Olympic level, I'm hopeful that UWW Grappling would be that avenue, but it's got a ways to go before being considered for Olympic inclusion.
PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Maybe now that Sambo will be in the Olympics I can convince Maurice Allan to start teaching it. He's always balked in the past because of the lack of interest but now it might pick up.
I have always been amazed Sambo never got popular I think a big part of it is the infighting between the organizations
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I have always been amazed Sambo never got popular I think a big part of it is the infighting between the organizations
Also this just being a totally new sport invented as a Soviet counterculture to imperialist sports doesn't help :)
