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Is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu a "Martial Art"?

5 year(s) ago • 3271 views • 97 replies

R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
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4 year(s) ago
What if you cut the top off a bottle, can you now call it a glass?
With the sharp edges it would be a "spicy glass" LOL
Clay Coppinger
Clay Coppinger
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4 year(s) ago
Continuation from another thread. Do you consider Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to be a Martial Art? I personally do NOT. I consider it to be a Combat Sport. Same as Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling and kickboxing.
I would consider all the sports you listed to be martial arts also so I think this might be a semantics thing.

In your opinion, what’s the difference between a combat sport and a martial art?
Clay Coppinger
Clay Coppinger
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4 year(s) ago
The initialism “MMA” seems relevant here.

What is being “mixed”? Boxing, bjj, wrestling etc.

If you include those as parts of MMA, you are indirectly defining them as martial arts.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1773 forum posts17465/1000
4 year(s) ago
The initialism “MMA” seems relevant here. What is being “mixed”? Boxing, bjj, wrestling etc. If you include those as parts of MMA, you are indirectly defining them as martial arts.
Offtopic but MMA is a REALLY stupid name for that sport. It's not freaking combat sports decathlon. In Estonia and Finland we have what translates as (athletic/sport) freefight.
Olivier Hennau
Olivier Hennau
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4 year(s) ago
Offtopic but MMA is a REALLY stupid name for that sport. It's not freaking combat sports decathlon. In Estonia and Finland we have what translates as (athletic/sport) freefight.
I agree 100% stupid name
however, historically, as an official who participated in the authorization (or preventing the ban) of the practice in the early 2000s in Belgium (shooto federation at the time). I remember very well that at the political level and the general public, the name free-fight was really a psychological brake (in addition to the cage) they thought that we were doing fights without rules etc ....and it was always necessary to do a thorough work to explain ... at each event..

shooto did not took-off and the name MMA was more politically correct, i think and it sticked...

and now with the WMMAF on, it will stay
Edited 4 year(s) ago
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
4 year(s) ago
Very interesting points on this.

Take Lethwei for example. In my opinion it is a Martial art and has a codified system of techniques but is also a combat sport.

I have always thought of Combat sports as nothing more than a ruleset . In my mind you can be a Lethwei fighter and not practice Lethwei.

The dictionary definition seems to focus on Asian but Martial Arts of the world a project by Thomas Green included almost all codified training methodologies no matter the region as martial arts.

I think BJJ is both a martial art and Combat sport the great thing about a Martial Art with a combat sport component is that the sport keeps the art alive through pressure testing and adapting to new influences.

Boxing and Wrestling in my opinion are more combat sports as they do not have the same codified teaching methods.

This is MY OPINION nothing more but i do love the conversation
Jon
Jon
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4 year(s) ago
Is this a troll post? I define Martial Art as any sport in which you fight in pajamas.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
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4 year(s) ago
Joey, if you want a discussion of does X fall into the category of Y, you need to at least give some definitions of X and Y. It's kinda low blow if you propose the question, do not propose your own boundaries/definitions and then when someone else does start to attack their definition.

That being said, I really like Haueters conceptualisation of street-sport-art with BJJ being kinda unique in the intersection of all those 3 the best (compared to other ... uhm... fighting activities).

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