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Did Black belt still compete ?
4 year(s) ago • 6951 views • 49 replies
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
That's really easy to say when you're going to be the 50 year old black black belt with 30 years of experience competing against the new black belt with 10 years. Regardless of what you think, all black belts are not the same.
I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying it's the game. It can't really be any different. Just gotta suck it up and compete anyway.
And it's not like people get incrementally better by every year they train and those who trained longer consistently wins more often. That's simply not the case. I've been a black belt for 10+ years and many brand new black belts will probably beat me today on athleticism, more modern strategies, different training environments/volume etc. There's a reason why the average age of almost every major sports league is 23 years. They don't lose their jobs to those with "30 years of experience" - in fact, it's the other way around.
But if you only want to compete if your opponents have no advantages over you, then you probably shouldn't compete at all, anyway. There's more to it than win/lose :)
And it's not like people get incrementally better by every year they train and those who trained longer consistently wins more often. That's simply not the case. I've been a black belt for 10+ years and many brand new black belts will probably beat me today on athleticism, more modern strategies, different training environments/volume etc. There's a reason why the average age of almost every major sports league is 23 years. They don't lose their jobs to those with "30 years of experience" - in fact, it's the other way around.
But if you only want to compete if your opponents have no advantages over you, then you probably shouldn't compete at all, anyway. There's more to it than win/lose :)
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Black beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I managed to compete last weekend at a small, local tournament in Guadeloupe. While the level was not very high, at least I got a few matches and it was a fun trip with my friends/students. Also, very importantly, it's always a big inspiration for a team when the coach is competing. I'll keep doing it at every chance I get, as long as I train Jiu Jitsu (knowing that it won't be many chances).
Goddammit. You're competing again. My goal has been to have more jiujitsu matches logged here than you (currently behind by 13!) before I retire from competition but now it seems the retirement is not coming any time soon. :(
Anyway, I'm coming for it, even though you artificially pump up your Beltchecker comp record by including whatever "Irish Collar and Elbow friendly matches" and vale tudo and who knows what! :D
Anyway, I'm coming for it, even though you artificially pump up your Beltchecker comp record by including whatever "Irish Collar and Elbow friendly matches" and vale tudo and who knows what! :D
Black beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
My first match as a black belt... I went against a whitebelt... was physically intense, got safe win on points. In my 2nd match I faced a purple...and lost on points...
A lot of smaller comps in Finland don't get enough higher belts to divide them up, so typically it's all belts from Blue to Black or Purple to Black in the same divisions. It's not at all given that a black belt wins these brackets if there is one who enters.
Big props to these guys (like Jorgen!) for signing up though, because there are still people who frown upon losing to a lower belt rank, which is not extraordinary at all.
The only time I have won the Finnish BJJ Master Nationals was when I was the only blue belt in the bracket, others were one black, one brown and rest purples. And now past three times I have lost to a black belt in the same comp... Personally I like being the alleged underdog in the match.
Big props to these guys (like Jorgen!) for signing up though, because there are still people who frown upon losing to a lower belt rank, which is not extraordinary at all.
The only time I have won the Finnish BJJ Master Nationals was when I was the only blue belt in the bracket, others were one black, one brown and rest purples. And now past three times I have lost to a black belt in the same comp... Personally I like being the alleged underdog in the match.
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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Goddammit. You're competing again. My goal has been to have more jiujitsu matches logged here than you (currently behind by 13!) before I retire from competition but now it seems the retirement is not coming any time soon. :( Anyway, I'm coming for it, even though you artificially pump up your Beltchecker comp record by including whatever 'Irish Collar and Elbow friendly matches' and vale tudo and who knows what! :D
Haha you'll catch up for sure. I never stopped competing, just don't have the chance very often. As in, very very rarely because of camps, family, living on a rock, etc. But I'll still do it at every chance I get.
Hey, hey back in the days we didn't have any competitions at all, so everything had to count!! :D
Hey, hey back in the days we didn't have any competitions at all, so everything had to count!! :D
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Black beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I've already had 3 matches against black belts. I am just glad for they were willing to face me.
For the black belt it may seem like almost an insult to face such a lower rank, but for the lower rank it's really fun and memorable.
And even though it will be a long ass time before I am a black belt I feel these newer black belts that get to face the senior black belts should feel the same way as an opportunity to make cool memories and get better win or lose.
Competition isn't about winning unless your at Worlds or Pans or something. All these local regional tournaments don't mean anything really and is more about learning and improving. I've got to where if the match isn't for a belt I'll try to work on my B game or whatever in the matches because who really cares about another local medal that doesn't mean anything.
For the black belt it may seem like almost an insult to face such a lower rank, but for the lower rank it's really fun and memorable.
And even though it will be a long ass time before I am a black belt I feel these newer black belts that get to face the senior black belts should feel the same way as an opportunity to make cool memories and get better win or lose.
Competition isn't about winning unless your at Worlds or Pans or something. All these local regional tournaments don't mean anything really and is more about learning and improving. I've got to where if the match isn't for a belt I'll try to work on my B game or whatever in the matches because who really cares about another local medal that doesn't mean anything.
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Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I agree with the others that say life priorities have changed by the time people reach black belt and that you need to go to a more reputable organization for matches. Most people that are still competing at black belt have done their time at the lesser organizations and have decided it isn't worth it to go to those. The drama and lack of professionalism they often display just isn't something they want to deal with. Another thing is the disparity of experience in black belt divisions. If I ever get my black belt, I'll probably be at least 50 years old with 11 years of grappling experience when it happens. If I were to sign up to compete at that time I could easily be competing with another 50 year old black belt that has 30 years of grappling experience. We would never expect a blue belt to compete with a brown belt, but we expect that exact thing in the black belt divisions. A lot of people look at that situation and don't want to mess with it.
You should look at it from another angle - you have maybe 15 years worth of BJJ injuries and strain and psychological fatigue and boredom while they have 30. ;)
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
You should look at it from another angle - you have maybe 15 years worth of BJJ injuries and strain and psychological fatigue and boredom while they have 30. ;)
30 years of accumulated injuries definite counts for something :D
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Also, just throwing it in here: We're hosting a tiny competition in Saint Barth on June 25th for the 10-year anniversary of our club. I will be honored to compete against anyone who steps foot on the island, so come on over! :) Can help with accommodation etc. for the weekend. https://smoothcomp.com/en[...]event/7215
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
30 years of accumulated injuries definite counts for something :D
"It's not about who's good, it's about who's left." ;)
C. Haueter (AFAIK)
C. Haueter (AFAIK)
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Also, just throwing it in here: We're hosting a tiny competition in Saint Barth on June 25th for the 10-year anniversary of our club. I will be honored to compete against anyone who steps foot on the island, so come on over! :) Can help with accommodation etc. for the weekend. https://smoothcomp.com/en[...]event/7215
A fight against the "American Imposter" himself, you should fine someone famous and sell tickets
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Hi, I was looking on smoothcomp, to find good Black belt competitions not to far, like 2hours plane, but saddly it seems that People stop compete when they archive the Black belt, in Belgium i think we have maybe around 200 Black belt in BJJ but when you look at the competitions only a few take part....and it seems to be the same in other countries, do you feel the same? Is it about reputation or because of age or injuries ?
It's the same everywhere on tournaments that use smoothcomp. Tournaments that use smoothcomp are smaller tournaments. From my experience, black belts want to compete in bigger tournaments that have more notoriety for winning. IE, IBJJF, ADCC, SJJIF, etc.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I'm not saying they're the same, I'm saying it's the game. It can't really be any different. Just gotta suck it up and compete anyway. And it's not like people get incrementally better by every year they train and those who trained longer consistently wins more often. That's simply not the case. I've been a black belt for 10+ years and many brand new black belts will probably beat me today on athleticism, more modern strategies, different training environments/volume etc. There's a reason why the average age of almost every major sports league is 23 years. They don't lose their jobs to those with '30 years of experience' - in fact, it's the other way around. But if you only want to compete if your opponents have no advantages over you, then you probably shouldn't compete at all, anyway. There's more to it than win/lose :)
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Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I fought my way up through the ranks and still have the desire to test myself.
With kids to think about I'm never going to have the training schedule to reach the top level even in the masters divisions but I can still go against anyone on a local level.
The desire to enter bigger tournaments is tempered by realistic expectations but it's great that you could have a match with a legend of the sport, or compete against 3th degree plus black belts. I'd love to have a match against Xande Ribero, I wouldn't stand a chance but to get to a belt where that was something that could happen it would be a shame to cut yourself off from competition at black belt (injuries and everything else life can throw at you aside)
With kids to think about I'm never going to have the training schedule to reach the top level even in the masters divisions but I can still go against anyone on a local level.
The desire to enter bigger tournaments is tempered by realistic expectations but it's great that you could have a match with a legend of the sport, or compete against 3th degree plus black belts. I'd love to have a match against Xande Ribero, I wouldn't stand a chance but to get to a belt where that was something that could happen it would be a shame to cut yourself off from competition at black belt (injuries and everything else life can throw at you aside)
Black beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I do think there's a fair point to be made that at some point, life just happens and it's very few people who can keep competing forever. In my own career, I competed quite intensely in my 20s and up through my early 30s at all colored belts. This was 10+ years of active competing. Then comes kids, career and life and it's simply not a priority any more to keep spending money and time on it. I don't think I'm the only one with a story like this. Most people start young with plenty of time and energy for it. Eventually after approximately 12 years, 2 months and 7 days (according to Beltchecker statistics), they become black belts, but at that point, how many of them are in the same situation to keep competing? It's only a fraction of people who become Jiu Jitsu instructors as a profession and does nothing else in their life. I would guess the vast majority at that point are injured and busy with other things. I love competing and I will do it at every opportunity I get. It's just not a priority for me in life anymore.
I love competing. I agree with you. Kids, work, and quality time with the family are a much higher priority. I am not able to train as much as I would like and that’s just a reality of life. I will try and compete at least once a year, it I’m not going to compete if I can’t get the proper amount of training either. Do I miss it? Absolutely. However, I’d miss the family time much more.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I think that many blackbelts struggle with training, and working. To be in shape to compete requites a division of time that is not sustainable if you have kids, a family and a career. Easier to compete in a few big IBJJF comps in the year and train for an event rather than general readiness.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I am a 59 year old Black Belt and competed yesterday in a pro show against a 30 year old Black Belt.. Why compete if it isn't to test yourself and see what you need to work on. I have always felt you lead from the front and as a teacher it keeps my game relevant..

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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
my first match as a black belt, i was like 4 month graduated black belt, i had to face Omar Salum, a 5th degree black belt under Royler Gracie who was black belt world champion the exact same year i start to train jiujitsu..... in black belt, you enter in deep water....
I just find the video, on some old usb key, first fight as a Black belt back in 2010
https://youtu.be/0gG8bHCjU5U
https://youtu.be/0gG8bHCjU5U
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Brown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I am a 59 year old Black Belt and competed yesterday in a pro show against a 30 year old Black Belt.. Why compete if it isn't to test yourself and see what you need to work on. I have always felt you lead from the front and as a teacher it keeps my game relevant..
THIS!!!! ALL OF THIS!!!!!!
Purple beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I think it depends on how old you are when you earn your black belt, and how much experience you have in competing. Personally, i think if you have a competition-driven school you should set an example for your students to follow. Here in Sweden there are a lot of local competitions and a few black belts are usually competing for fun, even if i sometimes wonder why the brackets still are kinda empty when you think of it. I guess life comes in the way.


