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black belt "anatomy"
3 year(s) ago • 28071 views • 44 replies
ANBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
if I visit a gym, and a conversation even starts with "while you're here, your belt...." I'm already walking out the door. I use their momentum to help me out the door.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I use their momentum to help me out the door.
Genius. Gonna use that and pretend I came up with it.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
...or don't ;-) If they want their students to see 'white belts' from visiting academies having more skill than all their own white belts (maybe even blue belts or higher), it just reflects bad on their gym. Personally, I think it is good for my students to gain confidence in themselves and seeing we have high standards at our academy. For that purpose, perhaps you should have all visitors wear a black belt instead! It would actually make more sense ;-P
HA!
WJBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
According to the IBJJF 'Black Belts should have a red bar of approximately 10 cm (3.94 in) in length positioned between 2 cm (0.79 in) to 3 cm (1.18 in) on one end. It will be delineated by two white bars and will receive markings from one to six degrees.' This suggests that the red bar and white stripes are simply features of all normal black belts. I get that the IBJJF is not the definitive authority on jiu jitsu but I thought I'd add it to the conversation. https://ibjjf.com/graduation-system
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JBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
According to the IBJJF 'Black Belts should have a red bar of approximately 10 cm (3.94 in) in length positioned between 2 cm (0.79 in) to 3 cm (1.18 in) on one end. It will be delineated by two white bars and will receive markings from one to six degrees.'
How hard is that enforced? Won't you be allowed to compete in IBJJF-competitions if you just have the plain red bar (or even a white bar or no bar)? Does anyone have first hand experience of that happening?
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
How hard is that enforced? Won't you be allowed to compete in IBJJF-competitions if you just have the plain red bar (or even a white bar or no bar)? Does anyone have first hand experience of that happening?
Red or white ranking bars are fine. At the last comp I attended, I even saw one competitor get through with no bar.
AAWhite beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I've always been curious about where the black/red rank bars came from.
It is never seen in any other art. even those that award stripes on the belts.
Having trained in Kenpo where the red bar denotes a 5th-degree black belt, when I first saw a BJJ black belt with the white stripes I was a bit confused.
Anybody know the history of the rank bars?
It is never seen in any other art. even those that award stripes on the belts.
Having trained in Kenpo where the red bar denotes a 5th-degree black belt, when I first saw a BJJ black belt with the white stripes I was a bit confused.
Anybody know the history of the rank bars?
SPBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
In Relson’s Association, if you have not been teaching already for two years, you put on the black belt with red bar.
After two years of consistent and exemplary teaching under mentorship and observation, he’ll be awarded his Professor bars.
If you’ve already been teaching for two years, and and the head professor approves, you put on the black belt with red bar and professor bars.
That’s how I’ve heard Relson explain it for almost 30 years.
At my academy, in addition to the above, if the new black belt states he has no desire to teach, he’ll put on the black belt with white bar.
After two years of consistent and exemplary teaching under mentorship and observation, he’ll be awarded his Professor bars.
If you’ve already been teaching for two years, and and the head professor approves, you put on the black belt with red bar and professor bars.
That’s how I’ve heard Relson explain it for almost 30 years.
At my academy, in addition to the above, if the new black belt states he has no desire to teach, he’ll put on the black belt with white bar.
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
In our organization, we separate the fighter and instructor ranks. At purple and brown belt, it is possible to get a “coach” certification by entering the instructor program and passing an additional test when you get promoted. When fighters do their belt test, they have to demonstrate technique and do multiple rounds of sparring with fresh opponents every round. Coaches have to do this plus teach several techniques during class to demonstrate their teaching skill and their ability to help students who are having trouble with the techniques. My purple and brown belts had red sleeves on them to show that I had passed the coach test, which meant I was allowed to teach BJJ in the college club where I also taught JKD.
At black belt level, we use the following conventions:
(1) A plain black belt with no red sleeve means you are a fighter who has not passed the instructor test (though I suppose somebody could wear the white sleeve if they wanted). So far, nobody in our organization has received a black belt without taking the instructor test, so I haven’t actually seen one of our black belts without a red sleeve.
(2) A red sleeve means that you have passed the instructor test as part of your black belt test, so you are authorized to teach.
(3) White border stripes on either end of the sleeve are optional, but if you wear them, it means you are a fully-certified instructor who is authorized to have your own academy. I wear these stripes because I passed all of the instructor tests and run my own club, but some guys in our organization don’t bother with them even though they are fully certified instructors. The downside is that I have to keep explaining to my white belts that I’m not actually a third-degree black belt. :)
At black belt level, we use the following conventions:
(1) A plain black belt with no red sleeve means you are a fighter who has not passed the instructor test (though I suppose somebody could wear the white sleeve if they wanted). So far, nobody in our organization has received a black belt without taking the instructor test, so I haven’t actually seen one of our black belts without a red sleeve.
(2) A red sleeve means that you have passed the instructor test as part of your black belt test, so you are authorized to teach.
(3) White border stripes on either end of the sleeve are optional, but if you wear them, it means you are a fully-certified instructor who is authorized to have your own academy. I wear these stripes because I passed all of the instructor tests and run my own club, but some guys in our organization don’t bother with them even though they are fully certified instructors. The downside is that I have to keep explaining to my white belts that I’m not actually a third-degree black belt. :)
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I have never been to an academy that has asked me to de-stripe my instructor belt. I have visited academies and attended seminars where I was told to wear only a white gi, but I have never been told to wear a different belt (e.g., when I went to a Royce Gracie seminar in 2019, white gis were mandated, but Royce was totally fine with my white-bordered, red-sleeved black belt). However, I always play it safe when I go to other academies or seminars: I wear a white gi and I take along (1) my regular black belt with red sleeve and border stripes, (2) a plain black belt (my judo belt, in case someone balks at the sleeve or stripes), and (3) a white belt (in case someone says "your rank doesn't transfer here," in which case I get to be the best white belt in the room for an hour or so).
MGBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
At our gym the two outer white bars are given a year after having been promoted to black belt, and also indicate that you are qualified to teach BJJ classes. I believe this is the case with all of Cleber Luciano's affiliate schools.
JVBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Saulo and Xande give “professor bars” (white bars on the end of red bar) after one year of becoming black belt; although all black belts are referred to as professor. When I visit places I always bring a white Gi with no patches, and my spare belt.
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Black belt 3rd degreePending
3 year(s) ago
At my academy we run the following methodology:
-Red bar= black belt/coach
-White bar= competitor/fighter black belt
-Red bar with white end stripes= Black belt Professor, with at least 1 year teaching as a black belt.
-Red bar= black belt/coach
-White bar= competitor/fighter black belt
-Red bar with white end stripes= Black belt Professor, with at least 1 year teaching as a black belt.
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SABlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
In Charles Gracie Association, everyone receives a blank black belt with a red bar initially. After one year, they award the instructor bars. In his association, you do have to attend and login certain numbers of self defense seminars to have the very traditional Gracie jiu jitsu self-defense as well. Then after that, it’s pretty much like IBJJF for time in grade for each promotion after that.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
This notion of not being able to wear your awarded belt color in someone else's gym is one of my biggest issues happening in our community. If you want to test me first then do it, but don't assume just because I'm not from your gym or your affiliation that I didn't earn my belt color. I tell my students all the time that if you visit a gym and they ask you to change your belt then turn around and walk out.
I feel like I got tested more as a white belt than any other so far. But my white belt also looked brown towards the end lol
