@graugart. When do Wim & I get our 'Beltchecker Police' badges on our profiles?

I'm seriously amazed that people do this in BJJ..... So this is essentially self-promoting oneself to all the color belts. I'm a 9-year purple belt from what is pretty much an old school competition team, and I often have self-doubt about 'owning my rank'. If anything, I secretly wish I could put on a belt one rank lower whenever I visit a tough gym for some occasional porrada. :D The sad & complex thing about the case is that he has convinced a respected instructor to award him the black belt. Which now appears to be a straight from white to black promotion, which I guess could be legit osss in very special circumstances. BUT seems like he has been blatantly lying about his promotion & training history to his instructor. Pathetic. If the instructor would know that he has been led astray, would he stand behind the promotion? Kind of sloppy to not check on these matters. An embarrassing situation to all.

https://www.instagram.com[...]c9312pk38u Tooo funny

Hello I am a student of Georges in GFT Liege. I am a perfect beginner, started BJJ with Georges 2 years ago. And I am quite shocked about this thread, for multiple reasons. Looks like there is definetly something wrong in the past promotions of Georges and with what he said. You contacted a lot of peoples Georges mentionned and you never get a good answer about a promotion. The fact he lied, at least few times, the fact he deleted his account, its not a definitive proof but clearly, something is wrong. Whats the reasons ? I dont know. What I know, for sure, is that Georges is a kind guy. We like to train with him, and as a beginner, I learn a lot. He don't give promotion easily, its not about a checklist for each strip, for blue belt, and so on. Its about personnal progression. I know there are a lot of fake teachers, with fake belts, who dont know anything about BJJ. But Georges is passionate. He is not the best one, he never said he was. As a student, when you see someone like Mathias Jardin often coming, you don't ask yourself 'is Georges legit ?'. All this story is difficult for me because its not about if I can no longer learn from him, but its about trust. The last thing I am shocked of, is the fun some of you guys make here about this situation. Beltchecker Police badge, meme about Liege GFT Students. In some posts I could believe I am reading kids. But some of you are importants, known BJJ teachers, champions, practicionners. If you want to make thing in the good way, you should think about the studends. Why not contact them ? why not coming ? Why not investigate more to end this story ? why not asking Mathias Jardin to be clear and do something about it ? You prefer make fun about students who will have 'non legit belts' in the future ? Really ? It looks weird, to be honnest. I think you have one big responsability here. Isn't that the purpose of this site ? If you just stop when the guy delete his account, then its not the solution. And me, I dont know what to do.

Fixed it!

If your instructor lied about his promotions then you should find another academy to train at. It is about integrity. I could not trust an instructor that does that. I'd also like to state that he is not a victim in this drama. Whatever fallout he got from this lie is his own creation and deserved. Whether you think the jokes were childish or not is irrelevant. I find it funny that people will defend perpetrators and try to make them out to be the victims of some wrongdoing. No one that has earned their belts the right way have any explanations to give. Only frauds need them to explain away their deceit. I myself, like many others, will never be a world champion but every promotion we have ever received was earned the right way and can be confirmed by our promoting instructors. There are many great instructors in Belgium who have not lied about their belts. They earned them. Find one and train with them if you feel uncomfortable or you can continue to support your current instructor. It is ultimately your choice. Cheers

'IF', yes if. I dont know both side story, I dont say he is a victim. Actually, the way this forum show this, privates messages, one side opinion (it looks obvious a fair discussion is not possible here. I cant imagine the bashing if Georges decided to answer here.) Beltchecker want to make a fair system to check things, so then take you responsibility and do it properly. Thats only what I want to say. By doing so you are making all students potential victims. I believe, but I dont know, Georges wanted the black belt to have a 'legitimate' figure in his school. Like 'I have this school since a lot of years, I have no affiliation that can support me, I have no master behind me to help me, my school, to promote us, my prime is past, I will no longer compet, I will never be the best, I have shitty health problems, but I just want a black as a passionate teacher, this is all about the picture of a black belt teacher. I guess thats why he ask Brasa and thats why he quit after he understood he will never be able to get support from them anymore. I can understand its not the cleanest way, but I can understand him too. Can we piss on him for that ? And I believe, if Mathias Jardin gave it to him, without hesitating, then Georges is in some way a legit black belt. This is my last message here. I see Daniël Bertina dont find the interest to reply me. What a super cop.... eh.

Can we piss on him for that?

I don't remember who but one of the beltchecker member was talking about his dream to get his Black belt one day, with age coming up and injuries... every belt represent something special when you have to sweet, bleed and sometimes cry, to get it... so you might understand that this case shock also average praticioners who follow the rules and train daily but must wait as usual to be promoted...and the fact about being a black belt to be legit as a teacher... become legit start with the first belt not the last one... it is kind of insultant to think about wearing a Black belt just to look good on instagram. In this situation he was better to make a grappling school. No belt, no problem.

100% 20 years of grappling,16 years of teaching it,i left ICON team because of internal feud so, bjj brown belt for life i guess :-D i got no affiliation nor black belt to put one on my waist, just like him .... but i still don't lye ...

'IF', yes if. I dont know both side story, I dont say he is a victim. Actually, the way this forum show this, privates messages, one side opinion (it looks obvious a fair discussion is not possible here. I cant imagine the bashing if Georges decided to answer here.) Beltchecker want to make a fair system to check things, so then take you responsibility and do it properly. Thats only what I want to say. By doing so you are making all students potential victims. I believe, but I dont know, Georges wanted the black belt to have a 'legitimate' figure in his school. Like 'I have this school since a lot of years, I have no affiliation that can support me, I have no master behind me to help me, my school, to promote us, my prime is past, I will no longer compet, I will never be the best, I have shitty health problems, but I just want a black as a passionate teacher, this is all about the picture of a black belt teacher. I guess thats why he ask Brasa and thats why he quit after he understood he will never be able to get support from them anymore. I can understand its not the cleanest way, but I can understand him too. Can we piss on him for that ? And I believe, if Mathias Jardin gave it to him, without hesitating, then Georges is in some way a legit black belt. This is my last message here. I see Daniël Bertina dont find the interest to reply me. What a super cop.... eh.

Simon. Let's clarify something, my man. Georges was on this site. He had a profile here, and was asking for verification. I heard from a few people, that he might be lying. I emailed him about this ranks. Then Georges HIMSELF sent me his so-called promotion pictures, and claiming to be belted by these people. I can screenshot the conversation if you want. The only thing I did, was to e-mail ALL the instructors HE mentioned in his communication to me. Then I posted this whole debacle, and Georges DELETED his own profile. Guess what? All of those instructors NEVER even heard of the man. This is not a joke. Marcus Vinicius never heard of him, Josh Griffiths doesn't know who he is, Emmanuel Fernandez didn't promote him. To put if mildly, the man has a flexible grip on the truth / reality. I actually feel kind of bad for him. He might be a 'nice guy', he might have legitimate health issues - and that sucks and I feel bad for him, but he DID NOT get promoted by the people mentioned above. He is LYING about this. And thus, you might ask yourself: am I okay with training under such an instructor? If yes, go on, put you head in the sand, and be happy. If not, go on and find another instructor, and be happy. Have a great day.

Hmmm....I get that this is 'Beltchecker' and that implies a degree of belt checking, but even in professions as critical as medicine, there is/was a degree of 'mediated entry' (grandfathering in of older generation) experts who were acting as specialists and had specialist skills before modern training pathways existed. Given that the gentleman in question has much experience and a 'genuine' promotion to blackbelt, does that hold no water? BTW, I do understand that faking previous belts muddied the water.

If your instructor lied about his promotions then you should find another academy to train at. It is about integrity. I could not trust an instructor that does that. [...] No one that has earned their belts the right way have any explanations to give. Only frauds need them to explain away their deceit. I myself, like many others, will never be a world champion but every promotion we have ever received was earned the right way and can be confirmed by our promoting instructors.

R. David Gonzales, you wrote in the thread linked below that 'If I dispute, it will be on my own terms, without influence'. Would the own terms and influence of your younger self suffice? ;-) https://www.beltchecker.c[...]p;id=63963

First, It's Gonzalez with Z's. Secondly, stop obsessing. It's getting weird.