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It's time to talk about shrimping

6 year(s) ago • 31178 views • 143 replies

Jason Demelas
Jason Demelas
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5 year(s) ago
I follow your point but my experience dropping in on various clubs is that there's a disproportionate attention on shrimping drills as opposed to say granby rolls. I don't know that I've been to a representative sample of clubs but I'd be interested if your experience is the same? And if so, do you think shrimping deserves more attention?
For me “I say myself personally”. Shrimping even “baby” shrimping to create any space has endless uses. I’m kinda confused on why it’s even question. I can’t recall rolling with many people that some sort of hip escape, frame out technique wasn’t used when they find themselves on bottom or their opponent has side control ...

It’s a staple for a reason. Not just to help clean the mats
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Jason Demelas
Jason Demelas
Black beltVerified67 forum posts5525/1000
5 year(s) ago
And just one thing to all you Black Belts. Us White Belts are like children...we will say the dumbest things. We will be stubborn and think we know it all even when we know nothing. We will continue to think this way in many aspects time and time again seeming to never learn the basic concept that Jon Snow never learned. But we as white belts are suppose to look up to you and respect what you have to say. You have earned it...you have been through the journey of being humbled a million times over and sat through the lord of the rings journey listening to samwise gamgee constantly trying to sabotage your journey and eat your food every step of the way. Over 90% of the Black Belts on here are truly humble, and ever so patient to the stupid things that others say. Patience and Character are more the mark of a Black Belt then skill. It's more of a mental achievement then a physical one...being able to stand the test of time and impact who you are as a person and make you a better person. Just ask yourself one question, would you treat your child in such a way that you would insult them and mock them instead of trying to be patient with them and try to help them understand even if it's impossible for them to understand at their current state of mind as it's just not developed enough to comprehend what you have to say. There is a way to be able to have a sense of humor even in the face of immature stubborn stupidity that your being faced with. And there is another way that will only cause them to lose all respect for you. It's one thing to just laugh something off or post a funny picture and then ignore it. It's another to actually choose to respond in kind or with immaturity. It's up to you how you want to handle things but I would just hope that someone who has been humbled a million times would have acquired the patience to deal with a fool. Because if you haven't then maybe you still need be to humbled a bit more.
Well spoken. This is the way
Jason Demelas
Jason Demelas
Black beltVerified67 forum posts5525/1000
5 year(s) ago
I follow your point but my experience dropping in on various clubs is that there's a disproportionate attention on shrimping drills as opposed to say granby rolls. I don't know that I've been to a representative sample of clubs but I'd be interested if your experience is the same? And if so, do you think shrimping deserves more attention?
This has always been part of our warm up routines since I started in 2004. I’ve never believed that the shrimping drill that you most commonly see in the beginning of so many academies is the definitive movement to be used exactly as the warm up version. It’s about the hip movement, transitioning from side to side.

I am a new black belt, and I can say that I finally understand what the more experienced black belts have been talking about all along.

“The more you learn, the more you realize you don’t know”

My interpretation of our sport has been that “it’s all about the micro movements”. Anything to gain an advantage into your next transition.

Shrimping is one of those drills that gets beat into your muscle memory that you access constantly when considering bridges, frame outs, and side transitions

It’s a foundational tool in my opinion
Josh Wilkinson
Josh Wilkinson
Black beltVerified127 forum posts5490/1000
5 year(s) ago
I agree shrimping is very important in all aspects of jiujitsu. I try to explain the reasons behind the shrimp to lower belts and the kids I help teach as to use the technique to get better at the game. It’s a great warm up drill and great for your hips.
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-ZhangOP
Purple beltVerified661 forum posts2020/400
5 year(s) ago
Lachlan Giles: "never hip escape....although you might achieve the objective of moving your hips away, i feel like what you're giving up by doing that is bad and an advanced guard passer will take advantage of that and it ends up being a bad decision"
- The Guard Retention Anthology: Through The Legs and Close Range, 1:23:42

But i guess he doesn't know what he's talking about / it's different when he says it
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-ZhangOP
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5 year(s) ago
News just in from Ryan Hall:
"I don't think the shrimp is a real move. It's junk, it's actual junk. Not only will it waste your time, it will be like an albatross hanging on you because it effects how you think of things going forward." March 21st 2021: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]oh_cE_nQH0

I guess sometimes it takes an innocent white belt to say that the emperor has no clothes on.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17465/1000
5 year(s) ago
(I guess noone is debating "shrimp" having a place in escaping once the guard has been passed right?)
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-ZhangOP
Purple beltVerified661 forum posts2020/400
5 year(s) ago
(I guess noone is debating 'shrimp' having a place in escaping once the guard has been passed right?)
Yes they are, I refer the honourable gentleman to quote by Mr Hall above. Lachlan put a few qualifiers on his statement and I can guess why, Ryan didn't. Nor are these the only high level competitors I could be quoted. Anyway, the point is about attacking peoples logic and not their belt. The people who love it, aren't going to stop shrimping any time soon.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17465/1000
5 year(s) ago
Hmm. I haven't looked into what they have actually said... I can well understand that shrimping as defensive movement while legs are still in play is if not outright bad then at least suboptimal in most cases as it anchors your hips and foot/feet on the floor for a while.

However when legs have been passed (ESCAPES) then I currently still think it's important to combine with bridge/babybridge and other movements to create space for following movements...
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
News just in from Ryan Hall: 'I don't think the shrimp is a real move. It's junk, it's actual junk. Not only will it waste your time, it will be like an albatross hanging on you because it effects how you think of things going forward.' March 21st 2021: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]oh_cE_nQH0 I guess sometimes it takes an innocent white belt to say that the emperor has no clothes on.
That's just Ryan trolling.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
5 year(s) ago
I use the shrimp movement all the time if I get top mounted.
Yep, me too. Shrimping is great, Alex is wrong, but I'll leave the debate to the black belts. :P
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-ZhangOP
Purple beltVerified661 forum posts2020/400
4 year(s) ago
That's just Ryan trolling.
"the shrimping drill down the mat, what is that benefitting? Like maybe it's a slight core workout, it's a complete fucking waste of time and energy, it's so stupid."
Robert Degle
I guess he's trolling too
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17465/1000
4 year(s) ago
Baby bridge is extension.

Shrimp is curl.

Hawking is reverse curl.

All three can be used. Moves are best used in combination(s).

Yes, shrimping along the mat for days is useless. However to discard a fundamental body movement?
James Jones
James Jones
Black beltVerified1310 forum posts6475/1000
4 year(s) ago
While I still think the shrimping movement is useful. I mostly shrimp after me and my partner realize we are to close to other training partners and half ass shrimp a few feet away as I don't feel like standing up. Or while tossing and turning at night.

It seems to be much more useful against beginners or when people are exhausted.

I've got to where I will just turtle out of every position and dare them to take my back or attack from turtle.

Pass my guard? I turtle.
Get to side control? I turtle.
Get to mount? I will try to do some technical shit in combination. More trying to attack their weight distribution and create space back and forth than frame and shrimp. I use to hate being under side control but now I find if someone is actually able to get to mount and hold it more than 5 seconds with me trying to escape they know what they are doing and it's more dangerous than side control. Not the position itself but where it's going to lead to if I don't escape.
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Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified977 forum posts9215/1000
4 year(s) ago
I tend to shrimp every night in my bed when changing my sleeping position...very effective.
That's when you know, that the movement had reached the unconscious mind in your brain. The movement is becoming automatic.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified977 forum posts9215/1000
4 year(s) ago
I tend to shrimp every night in my bed when changing my sleeping position...very effective.
This is what it really comes down to. If shrimps works for you (great use it), if monkey rolling out to replace guard works for you (great use it), if turtling works for you (great use it.) Or any other guard recovery you may use (great use it) Just remember all guard replacement techniques have their draw backs no matter what one you use. Each of them have there weaknesses that can be exploited. To say not to use one is limiting yourself to the possibilities of replacing guard when your go to techniques are not working. Having a firm understanding of the plus and minuses of each is important. Not only in guard recovery, but in how to pass that particular guard recovery. shrimps are a fundamental in how to move your hips, they are important in learning how to move your hips fluidly and effortlessly no matter what movement you are doing.
Ethan Hedstrom
Ethan Hedstrom
Black beltVerified78 forum posts12105/1000
2 year(s) ago
All i have to say is shrimping or as master Joe Moreira members know it as snakies are a fundamental that are always used. They might be small or big movements but we have so many different break down on them you see not just for escapes. It's a body moment you see yourself doing for transitions , sweeps even subs. Just when you been doing bjj for so long you don't even realize it just second nature and body reaction.
John A. Byrne
John A. Byrne
Black beltVerified1013 forum posts6370/1000
2 year(s) ago
I tend to shrimp every night in my bed when changing my sleeping position...very effective.
I'm glad I am not the only one...
Brandon Covert
Brandon Covert
Brown beltVerified27 forum posts3015/700
2 year(s) ago
Shrimps/snakeys are a legit basic and fundamental escape from side control, half guard, and mount. Our school and Master Joe Moreira use this as part of warm ups. To the guys that's say it's useless most likely will get their mounts escaped from those that practice this basic move on a regular.

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