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Sociology of BJJ?

2 year(s) ago • 2725 views • 43 replies

Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMastersOP
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2 year(s) ago
Lots of Judo academic research, for a variety of reasons, including Judo considers itself a form of scholarship, and encourages scholarhip, as per the founder (as you no doubt know). Some on BJJ, not as much, thought.
But isn't BJJ...

- Basically
- Just
- Judo

After all?

:)
William Murphy
William Murphy
Black belt 5th degreeVerified2143 forum posts25730/1000
2 year(s) ago
I also published several papers on sexual predators in martial arts coaching roles,
including one that exposed, with details, over 200 convicted sexual offenders,
who returned to martial arts coaching roles,
but several of those papers got pulled down as fast as I could publish them
because several domiciles, including California,
have some very interesting laws and regs,
about making some of the cases, and case information,
and making sex offender identity information, public,
outside of narrowly prescribed ways.
So, go into that area, if you like the idea of possibly being scorched earth,
sued, and getting lots of death theats, from their BJJ / martial arts networks.
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Jim
Jim
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified346 forum posts3905/1000
2 year(s) ago
Totally unrelated to the topic, but I just found out that you can accidentally click the “funny” icon on your own post while scrolling through a thread. I was trying to scroll down to the latest post and got a message from the forum that some guy names “James McRae” found my post amusing. Apparently, I don’t take myself seriously (and have unusually fat fingers).
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMastersOP
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
2 year(s) ago
Jooyoung Lee is a sociology professor and a BJJ black belt: https://podcast.bjjmental[...]oyoung-lee. I don't know him personally, but his podcast appears to be legit. :)
I reached out to Dr Lee and he told me there's not that much out there on bjj. At least that's established. Thanks again for the recommendation!
William Murphy
William Murphy
Black belt 5th degreeVerified2143 forum posts25730/1000
2 year(s) ago
I reached out to Dr Lee and he told me there's not that much out there on bjj. At least that's established. Thanks again for the recommendation!
You do realize, that you can probably take the existing stats, on this website, and use them as the basis for your data.....

Depending on the reviewing / grading counter party, how well you present the idea, how well you write it up, and their disposition.

You might could even compare the data / stats here, to the stats available from another site, etc.

Whether that be beltcheckers to another BJJ data set, or Beltcheckers stats, to the stats from another "martial art" website, where members have supplied data about themselves, and it has been aggregated as stats.

Or write up a case, about the LACK of BJJ academic literature in the same publishing timespace as academic Judo research, or even do the research to see if that is the case, or not.

There are lots of publicly available BJJ datasets out there, including, but not limited to, Beltcheckers, which is in itself, an interesting data set, and set(s) of data.
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Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMastersOP
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
2 year(s) ago
You do realize, that you can probably take the existing stats, on this website, and use them as the basis for your data..... Depending on the reviewing / grading counter party, how well you present the idea, how well you write it up, and their disposition. You might could even compare the data / stats here, to the stats available from another site, etc. Whether that be beltcheckers to another BJJ data set, or Beltcheckers stats, to the stats from another 'martial art' website, where members have supplied data about themselves, and it has been aggregated as stats. Or write up a case, about the LACK of BJJ academic literature in the same publishing timespace as academic Judo research, or even do the research to see if that is the case, or not. There are lots of publicly available BJJ datasets out there, including, but not limited to, Beltcheckers, which is in itself, an interesting data set, and set(s) of data.
These are solid ideas. Unfortunately the last time I worked with a statistical program was SPSS in 2005 lol.

I think I'll try and take the easy route and find a topic with more research.
Deepu
Deepu
Black beltVerified547 forum posts6410/1000
2 year(s) ago
I also published several papers on sexual predators in martial arts coaching roles, including one that exposed, with details, over 200 convicted sexual offenders, who returned to martial arts coaching roles, but several of those papers got pulled down as fast as I could publish them because several domiciles, including California, have some very interesting laws and regs, about making some of the cases, and case information, and making sex offender identity information, public, outside of narrowly prescribed ways. So, go into that area, if you like the idea of possibly being scorched earth, sued, and getting lots of death theats, from their BJJ / martial arts networks.
I'm curious if the numbers you found were out of proportion when compared to non martial arts coaching roles.
William Murphy
William Murphy
Black belt 5th degreeVerified2143 forum posts25730/1000
2 year(s) ago
I'm curious if the numbers you found were out of proportion when compared to non martial arts coaching roles.
That was not something we attempted to compare.
The papers I did on the subject either were:
-collections of evidence that instructors were convicted sex predators, and/or
-a study of how convicted sex predators are ghosting the sex offender registries, and/or
-other barriers to public being able to caveat emptor, or be aware that an individual was a convicted sex predator.
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Deepu
Deepu
Black beltVerified547 forum posts6410/1000
2 year(s) ago
Ok, hopefully we're not a pervy outlier in the coaching realm.

Just googled what caveat emptor is. Will start using it in day to day conversation instead of buyer beware. Will see how long before my wife smacks me lol
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Joe Cavett
Joe Cavett
Purple beltVerified434 forum posts4005/400
2 year(s) ago
Seems like both fields would be able to attain statistical data outside of local sources, and apply them to their research in a useful way? Again, I've been living outside academia for almost 2 decades...
It's not that simple. I'll use my location of Tulsa, OK as an example. If you look at Tulsa crime and policing statistics online you'll find that they don't agree very well with the real world. The impression most people have of Tulsa is what they can see on The First 48. What they see on that show is the worst part of town for crime, but if you look up the crime statistics you'll find that it looks like a low crime area. Conversely, some of the safest parts of town are shown on a crime map as high crime areas. Why? Because most crimes in the bad part of town don't get reported and most crimes in the good part of town do. If you were to use a crime map to determine which hotel in Tulsa to stay in you would likely end up staying in the least safe part of the city because the predictive ability is based on local data obtained from people with different criteria for reporting crime.
Peter Gibbs
Peter Gibbs
Blue beltVerified80 forum posts920/200
2 year(s) ago
A bit late to the party, but how much BJJ experience is needed to be helpful to you? Like if I bullied my wife into finally coming to a class or two, would she then become a useful resource?
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMastersOP
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
2 year(s) ago
A bit late to the party, but how much BJJ experience is needed to be helpful to you? Like if I bullied my wife into finally coming to a class or two, would she then become a useful resource?
I'm not sure how much help she would be, but you should bully her anyway lol.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
2 year(s) ago
I hold an advanced degree in folklore which is considered an adjunct science to anthropology and sociology. I do have an interest in the traditions, superstitions and legends (and mythology) which are all very much present in BJJ circles.
Speaking of which, that reminds me Barbara (a cool black belt at Bergen Grappling) did a study on rituals in BJJ as part of her degree.

https://bora.uib.no/bora-[...]sAllowed=y
Guilherme De Paula
Guilherme De Paula
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified5 forum posts1220/1000
2 year(s) ago
Speaking of which, that reminds me Barbara (a cool black belt at Bergen Grappling) did a study on rituals in BJJ as part of her degree.
Thanks for linking this study, I'm trying to research about those topics for my graduation thesis.

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