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TRT for older grapplers

6 year(s) ago • 18416 views • 140 replies

Nick Tyau
Nick Tyau
Black belt 1st degreeVerified314 forum posts4290/1000
5 year(s) ago
Is it just me or is this TRT thing more of an American thing? I have never heard of any of my friends in Europe ever talk about it, but many Americans are getting steroids from their doctors it seems :D
I do feel it’s more accepted in the US. I personally do not prescribe it, but lots of docs do and I’ll refer patients who inquire. While difficult to do depending on one’s circumstances, I try more for the improve diet and sleep thing first
Jon
Jon
Purple beltVerified89 forum posts1345/400
5 year(s) ago
'normal' western life has led to male testosterone levels plummeting for a long time. In fact they've had to redefine 'normal range' multiple times because few of us would be normal range compared to 80 years ago.
It's surprising that they were taking samples of testosterone in enough men to make population level assumptions about what was normal in 1940, when testosterone was only discovered in 1935.
Dirk Brouns
Dirk Brouns
Purple beltVerified5 forum posts1235/400
5 year(s) ago
Almost 47 here.

Based on my own experience:
- next to jiujitsu, do strength training
- prioritize sleep
- minimize alcohol and sugar
- maximize healthy food
- intermitted fasting
- max 70% during training

I feel stronger and fitter than 10 years ago.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
1 year(s) ago
Been on doctor prescribed and monitored TRT for almost two years now.

Was taken off of it 3 weeks ago because my Hemoglobin and Hematocrite levels were too high.

Doctor advised me to donate blood two weeks ago (which I did) and to stop using the sauna and doing strenuous exercise the day before bloodwork because these things may be spiking my levels temporarily and giving a false result.

Getting retested this Friday.

Hopefully I get to get back on soon as now I am feeling the effects of not injecting weekly.

Could be psychosomatic but damn I feel like shit. Teaching, training, lifting and just working out in general has become alot harder.
I feel lazy as hell which for me is not normal even before taking TRT.

I am 56 years old, look young for my age but my body is a mess.

The TRT really made a difference.
Peter Gibbs
Peter Gibbs
Blue beltVerified80 forum posts920/200
1 year(s) ago
My experience was around the original posting of this thread, and started with me complaining to my doctor that I was 29 going on 60. I had done some research of my own and requested that my T levels be checked. Doc told me because of my family history, he wasn't even going to check that until I had a sleep study. Got my diagnosis of OSA, a prescription for a CPAP, and sent on my way. Went pretty deep down the rabbit hole, tried some CPAP alternatives that didn't work so well, and ended up back on CPAP again for a while. I never accepted the boilerplate solutions because of the REM concentration of the events (0 events nREM, 24.7/hr REM).

Finally got into an ENT who rattled off a litany of findings that kept getting longer the deeper he shoved the camera up my nose. Went ahead with an extensive three in one nasal surgery which, alongside the stress elimination from BJJ, has cleared up all my issues nicely.

The moral of the story is that the impact of sleep cannot be understated. I will never know if my test levels were actually depleted by my fractured sleep patterns or if the symptoms were simply the same, but I think anyone who is concerned about feeling poorly without an obvious cause should consider a sleep study. The medical insurance companies are starting to figure out that they pay out fewer claims if they can get people treating sleep apnea before it ruins their bodies, and it's becoming more apparent that it's not an issue endemic to fat old men.
Harley Smith
Harley Smith
Brown beltVerified65 forum posts920/700
1 year(s) ago
I started about 6 months ago with the under skin pellets. The first dose helped, but wasn't high enough so this round they did more. It is definitely noticeable and I am glad I started. I am 37 but have a beat up body from football, wrestling, and being 300+lbs. The crap part is insurance won't cover injections or shots so I pay out of pocket. It is still worth it.
Since this is back from 4 years ago I will update. I have since stopped pellets and went to injections. I prefer injections honestly. 2x a week I injection myself and it has been great for keeping my numbers stable and helping me feel good. I am still 40+, things don't heal as fast as they did 20 years ago even with TRT, but it helps my mood, energy, and overall feeling of health.

If you have low T, get treated. My numbers were sub 300 for years. I wish I had started treatment earlier.

I do donate blood every 3 months to keep my hemoglobin levels in the correct range.
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Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
1 year(s) ago
I personally find it pretty weird how freely TRT is given out in America. I travel to train at the B-Team gym (name drop :D) and literally every time I go people just assume I'm on TRT because of my age and it seems I'm fairly athletic for someone my age. For the record, I'm the most milk toast guy in Jiu-Jitsu. Not on any PEDs unless you count my morning tea and creatine Post work out shake. Hell, I don't even drink alcohol. It's kind of strange that so many assume I'm on gear because I'm pushing 50 and, well, don't feel like I'm dying all the time.

Admittedly, I benefit from a job that allows great work life balance and my wife and I don't have kids which definitely leaves more time for recovery and reduces Stress.
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
1 year(s) ago
My experience was around the original posting of this thread, and started with me complaining to my doctor that I was 29 going on 60. I had done some research of my own and requested that my T levels be checked. Doc told me because of my family history, he wasn't even going to check that until I had a sleep study. Got my diagnosis of OSA, a prescription for a CPAP, and sent on my way. Went pretty deep down the rabbit hole, tried some CPAP alternatives that didn't work so well, and ended up back on CPAP again for a while. I never accepted the boilerplate solutions because of the REM concentration of the events (0 events nREM, 24.7/hr REM). Finally got into an ENT who rattled off a litany of findings that kept getting longer the deeper he shoved the camera up my nose. Went ahead with an extensive three in one nasal surgery which, alongside the stress elimination from BJJ, has cleared up all my issues nicely. The moral of the story is that the impact of sleep cannot be understated. I will never know if my test levels were actually depleted by my fractured sleep patterns or if the symptoms were simply the same, but I think anyone who is concerned about feeling poorly without an obvious cause should consider a sleep study. The medical insurance companies are starting to figure out that they pay out fewer claims if they can get people treating sleep apnea before it ruins their bodies, and it's becoming more apparent that it's not an issue endemic to fat old men.
I this this plays a much bigger role than people think it does. There seems to be some sort of TRT cult nowadays. TRT gets treated like some kind of panacea that solves everything. I know guys at my gym who either jumped on gear or are wanting to because they think they have bad genetics and need it to even the playing field. Any time I bring up them never take rest days, eating nothing but junk food and playing video games until 4:00 in the morning being the more likely reason they feel like shit all the time, it gets rejected.
Andy
Andy
Black belt 1st degreeVerified6 forum posts2150/1000
1 year(s) ago
Yes, and yes. Tried this back on my late 20's early 30's and it was great in all aspects. Now that I am in my 40's, father of a toddler, strongly considering it again.
I think its a no brainer if you can do it legally and with all blood work and doctor check ups, etc.
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
1 year(s) ago
I personally find it pretty weird how freely TRT is given out in America. I travel to train at the B-Team gym (name drop :D) and literally every time I go people just assume I'm on TRT because of my age and it seems I'm fairly athletic for someone my age. For the record, I'm the most milk toast guy in Jiu-Jitsu. Not on any PEDs unless you count my morning tea and creatine Post work out shake. Hell, I don't even drink alcohol. It's kind of strange that so many assume I'm on gear because I'm pushing 50 and, well, don't feel like I'm dying all the time. Admittedly, I benefit from a job that allows great work life balance and my wife and I don't have kids which definitely leaves more time for recovery and reduces Stress.
That's gotta be cool, to train with that bunch. BTW, creatine actually is a PED, though a legal one. One of the supplements that I would recommend everybody should take, regardless of their sport.
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
1 year(s) ago
That's gotta be cool, to train with that bunch. BTW, creatine actually is a PED, though a legal one. One of the supplements that I would recommend everybody should take, regardless of their sport.
It is.

FYI, Medically speaking, creatine is not a performance enhancing DRUG, but a supplement. It does have a performance enhancing effect, but nothing close to things like Tren. You're also not going to develop supra physiological amounts of strength like you would from an actual performance enhancing drug. It helps, but it's a minor result in comparison.
Jason Steffes
Jason Steffes
Brown beltPending1 forum posts945/700
1 year(s) ago
At 51 I’ve been on TRT for about a year. I would say it has definitely improved some things for me, but I have not experienced the feeling like I’m 20 something again. That other people have I’ve been told that I roll stronger and training partners can tell a difference, but I really don’t see that. I’m glad I started it and plan on continuing because the benefits I have seen from it are worth it.

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