It would be interesting to hear from the other Rogerio Olegario Black Belts on this site who have remained silent.

Are there any?

It would be interesting to hear from the other Rogerio Olegario Black Belts on this site who have remained silent.

lol. That man is 6'4' and 285lbs.... That's not me.

So here we have: 1) Jacopo, Madaro who: -was promoted to blue belt and then purple belt by Rogerio Olegario, -and then switched teams to Federico Tisi for his brown belt and black belt promotions, -and now accuses his former instructor, Rogerio Olegario of 'selling promotions' -says his former instructor, Rogerio Olegario has been banned from the 'Italian Federation' for 'selling belts' -first says the proof of the Rogerio Olegario is all over the Internet, -but when people search and can find no such proof, Jacopo says he has no proof, and there is no proof, and he can't discuss the matter here, even though he just made as reputation damaging a claim about Rogerio Olegario as he could have made short of alleging murder, violence, extortion, or sex abuse. and 2) Fabio 'Cosimo' Carone, who: -is a 46 year year old man -who was promoted to purple belt, brown belt, and black belt, by a famous 5th Degree Black Belt who was a well known black belt competitor and coach, Rogerio Olegario -went from white belt to black belt in 7.5 years -went from blue belt to black belt in 5 years -has evidence of competing in each belt, although there is no evidence that he was an above average competitor at any belt level. Jacopo, who took 8.5 years to go from white belt to black belt, takes issue that Carone only took 7.5 years to go from white belt to black belt. Jacopo, who took 6 years to go from blue belt to black belt, takes issue that Carone only took 5 years to go from white belt to black belt. It should be noted that both Jacapo Madaro and Cosimo Carone both have schools in South Italy, and therefore are business and sports coaching competitors to each other. Any chance that we just got pulled into a petty drama between two local business and sports competitors, that one or both of them make public...? And sour grapes from Jacopo because his former instructor promoted Carone one year more quickly in total training time than Jacopo was promoted? If so, might I suggest that the feud be conducted on social media channels that do not have the 'be nice' rule, which could more broadly be interpreted as 'be civil, and be professional' on this forum.

Is that Mike?

Have never shared the mat with him but not sure i would want that monster on top of me.. A Black Belt plus powerlifter

I was with him from 2006 - 2015. Needless to say, grappling big men never bothers me. lol

I vote for Pizza over this nonsense Seriously a lot of accusations are being made about both a Black belt and his instructor but not a single shred of 'proof' people keep claiming to have.. The choice is to trust the promotion of a well respected professor who has verified the promotion and signed off on it with the IBJJF or unconfirmed rumors of belt selling.. I have chosen to vote to verify as I detest this type of stuff.. Provide PROOF and I will be happy to change my opinion.. Lets face it Beltchecker is a community consensus but some criteria should go into verification other than popularity.. Honestly I think the Belt system is kind of meaningless the only thing it means to me is I can compete on the World stage as a Black Belt and I am honored someone had the faith in me to allow me to rep them... Other that that it is a piece of cloth

I vote for Pizza over this nonsense Seriously a lot of accusations are being made about both a Black belt and his instructor but not a single shred of 'proof' people keep claiming to have.. The choice is to trust the promotion of a well respected professor who has verified the promotion and signed off on it with the IBJJF or unconfirmed rumors of belt selling.. I have chosen to vote to verify as I detest this type of stuff.. Provide PROOF and I will be happy to change my opinion.. Lets face it Beltchecker is a community consensus but some criteria should go into verification other than popularity.. Honestly I think the Belt system is kind of meaningless the only thing it means to me is I can compete on the World stage as a Black Belt and I am honored someone had the faith in me to allow me to rep them... Other that that it is a piece of cloth

It might be an idea to resort to the "old" rule of thumb, used in the early days of Beltchecker. ONLY vote for people who you ACTUALLY know and have REAL LIFE experiences with.

Dave Gonazales organized an offsite electronic meeting of all the black belts of 3rd Degree or higher who are registered on beltchecker. All the 6th degree, 5th degree, 4th degree, and all but the three 3rd Degree Black belts that none of us like were in attendance. After reviewing this thread, We made a petition of concern, protest, and guidance that we are sending over to Christian. In a nutshell, the petition states that after reading this thread, it is apparent that the black belts with less than 3 degrees lack the maturity to make promotion decisions or to discuss promotion decisions or vote on rank. So, we are sending this petition to Christian, in the care of our own Italian representative, Guido Che Ha La Mano Severo, To make sure the contents of this petition will hence forth be programmed into this site, Or certain site founders may have their head's shaved, and be made to eat sardines for three days out of tin, while being forced to listen to opera arias sung off key in repeat mode. Put another way, as Guido Che Ha La Mano Severo might say: 'This is a nice site you have here. Be a shame if something happened to it. Know what I mean...'

"This is a nice site you have here. Be a shame if something happened to it. Know what I mean..."

Dave Gonazales organized an offsite electronic meeting of all the black belts of 3rd Degree or higher who are registered on beltchecker. All the 6th degree, 5th degree, 4th degree, and all but the three 3rd Degree Black belts that none of us like were in attendance. After reviewing this thread, We made a petition of concern, protest, and guidance that we are sending over to Christian. In a nutshell, the petition states that after reading this thread, it is apparent that the black belts with less than 3 degrees lack the maturity to make promotion decisions or to discuss promotion decisions or vote on rank. So, we are sending this petition to Christian, in the care of our own Italian representative, Guido Che Ha La Mano Severo, To make sure the contents of this petition will hence forth be programmed into this site, Or certain site founders may have their head's shaved, and be made to eat sardines for three days out of tin, while being forced to listen to opera arias sung off key in repeat mode. Put another way, as Guido Che Ha La Mano Severo might say: 'This is a nice site you have here. Be a shame if something happened to it. Know what I mean...'

Oh Admins... Someone created a thread a little while ago called Disputed Promotion about the Italian Telenovella that is now cluttering up the Post Your Lineage thread with personal trolls back and forth between the parties involved. Maybe this thread would be a little cleaner, and the Disputed Promotion thread might be a better place for the latest Pizza Gate 2020 scandal and nanny nanny boo boo posts. Up to you, of course. [Clean up on aisle 5...]

Drew said...

What does a down vote represent? That the person is lying? That the promotion was illegitimate (i.e. happened before the instructor was a high enough rank or something)? That the dates are incorrect? Or just that we disagree with the assessment their instructor gave when they were promoted? I have known individuals who got belts that I didn't think they deserved, but their instructor at the time said they were that belt and they have the paperwork, so I've always just accepted that they were the given belt. That I personally disagree with the assessment of their rank doesn't invalidate that they were promoted and that the instructor will claim them. There was an interesting situation in my town awhile back where someone had a school teaching BJJ and they claimed to be a 1st degree black belt in BJJ, but the most they seemed to have done after digging was the Gracie University system for their blue belt (now technical blue belt, but an actual blue belt back then) and then paid an organization for some paperwork that said they were a 1st degree black belt. To me, that's a clear cut case of fraud that would warrant a down vote, but maybe I'm being too rigid on what I should be disputing.

Dave Gonazales organized an offsite electronic meeting of all the black belts of 3rd Degree or higher who are registered on beltchecker.

I can very easily imagine this actually happening.