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Post Your Lineage
6 year(s) ago • 59851 views • 355 replies
QCPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Jigoro Kano - Tomita Tsunejirō - Mitsuyo Maeda - Carlos Gracie - Helio Gracie - Carlson Gracie - Ricardo De La Riva - Alexey Cruz - Alexandre Quintella - Zezinho Mota - Me
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JOBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
RRBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
AAAAH the ole lineage inquiry.
For 7 years, I trained under a mix of Din Thomas/William Bittencourt/Marcio Simas/Rigan Machado.... That was across Orlando FL and LA... Moved back to Orlando and met my coach Jon Burke and Royce Gracie (who I've been under the last 14.6 years at this point)..... the short answer would be Maeda>Carlos>Helio>Royce>Jon Burke>Moi.... The long answer would include other subplots, so while those others trained me, I don't mention them in my lineage. While learned a lot from them all, since Royce promoted me to blue belt, and Jon my purple through black belt, that's the lineage.
For 7 years, I trained under a mix of Din Thomas/William Bittencourt/Marcio Simas/Rigan Machado.... That was across Orlando FL and LA... Moved back to Orlando and met my coach Jon Burke and Royce Gracie (who I've been under the last 14.6 years at this point)..... the short answer would be Maeda>Carlos>Helio>Royce>Jon Burke>Moi.... The long answer would include other subplots, so while those others trained me, I don't mention them in my lineage. While learned a lot from them all, since Royce promoted me to blue belt, and Jon my purple through black belt, that's the lineage.
MWBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlson Gracie > Francisco Albuquerque > Roberto "Cyborg" Abreu > Albert Hughes & Tony Tipton > Jorge Perez (Pictured) > Lil' Old Me
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I think this thread should highlight a couple of things:
1. we should acknowledge and give recognition to our immediate/most influential coach(es) - unless of course you actually trained under Kano, Maeda, Helio Gracie, etc. which I think none of us here did as they passed on before awarding anyone here (?) with a [black] belt. It's highly probable that a few here could have been awarded a blue belt directly from Helio Gracie - but in all honesty - how many contact hours were spent with this instructor to qualify as a direct teacher?
2. While most of our collective influences / origins came from the Gracie lineage, by linking yourselves to all the way back to Jigoro Kano - Maeda, et al kinda gives me the heebie-jeebies because as it is 'prestigious' as it may sound, it's like saying I got my university degree from someone who got their degree from someone and so forth who got theirs from an Ivy League or Oxford/Cambridge type establishment who in turn got their knowledge from Einstein, Newton, Descartes, and Plato- therefore my degree should also be recognized with equal standing - which it isn't technically.
1. we should acknowledge and give recognition to our immediate/most influential coach(es) - unless of course you actually trained under Kano, Maeda, Helio Gracie, etc. which I think none of us here did as they passed on before awarding anyone here (?) with a [black] belt. It's highly probable that a few here could have been awarded a blue belt directly from Helio Gracie - but in all honesty - how many contact hours were spent with this instructor to qualify as a direct teacher?
2. While most of our collective influences / origins came from the Gracie lineage, by linking yourselves to all the way back to Jigoro Kano - Maeda, et al kinda gives me the heebie-jeebies because as it is 'prestigious' as it may sound, it's like saying I got my university degree from someone who got their degree from someone and so forth who got theirs from an Ivy League or Oxford/Cambridge type establishment who in turn got their knowledge from Einstein, Newton, Descartes, and Plato- therefore my degree should also be recognized with equal standing - which it isn't technically.
JWBlue beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Lineage is just lineage, like a family tree. We are not claiming them as our instructors. I knew many martial artist who claimed high rank but could not tell who trained them. Let alone trace it back to who trained their trainer. I consider it just a sign of respect, I never once thought it somehow made me as good as any of them.
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THBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Andre Pederneiras >> Edwardo Barros >> Matt Waterhouse >> me
Of course it goes further back but these are the men who I’ve actually met and trained under.
Of course it goes further back but these are the men who I’ve actually met and trained under.
JGBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Jigoro Kano → Tomita Tsunejirō → Mitsuyo Maeda → Carlos Gracie Sr. → Carlos Gracie Jr. → Jean Jacques Machado → Christian Derr → Matt Tonubbee → Jessie Gonzales III
I am not too big on lineage culture as some of the above have mentioned. Don't get me wrong I think it's really neat knowing this lineage (I don't know my family lineage beyond my grandparents) so it's neat to track BJJ lineage sometimes.
I think each grappler should look to forge their own path and not get so stuck on traditions of their lineages.
I am not too big on lineage culture as some of the above have mentioned. Don't get me wrong I think it's really neat knowing this lineage (I don't know my family lineage beyond my grandparents) so it's neat to track BJJ lineage sometimes.
I think each grappler should look to forge their own path and not get so stuck on traditions of their lineages.
JMPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Carlos Gracie > Reyson Gracie > Osvaldo Alves > Sergio Penha > Walter Matos > Gustavo (Guto) Campos > Douglas Bueno > Me
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Jigoro Kano -> Mitsuyo Maeda -> Carlos Gracie -> George Gracie -> Jurandir Moura -> Jairo Moura -> Erick Tavares -> me
HGBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
This is my Black Belt lineage as I shifted teams due to relocating.
Mitsuyo Maeda > Luiz França > Oswaldo Fadda > Aderbal Batista > Geraldo Flores > Hercules Baptista > Ataide Rafael > Hernan Guadalupe
However my lineage through Brown Belt is:
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Helio Gracie > Royce Gracie > Lamonte Tyler & Jay Ferrari > Hernan Guadalupe
Mitsuyo Maeda > Luiz França > Oswaldo Fadda > Aderbal Batista > Geraldo Flores > Hercules Baptista > Ataide Rafael > Hernan Guadalupe
However my lineage through Brown Belt is:
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Helio Gracie > Royce Gracie > Lamonte Tyler & Jay Ferrari > Hernan Guadalupe
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RBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie Sr. > Carlos Gracie Jr. > Renzo Gracie > Roberto Maia > Geoff Balme > Brad Acosta > Me
I’ve changed gyms and an instructor of mine moved away over the years so this is the most recent.
I’ve changed gyms and an instructor of mine moved away over the years so this is the most recent.
ABlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlos Gracie jr. > Vinicius Magalhaes > Me
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ABlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Well lineage is about history and authenticity. I don’t see it as praising or having something to do with passing down secrets etc. though there are traits that are passed down. I think is more about where you come from.
I suppose that it’s good to know someone’s lineage especially in a website like belt checker, people vote about your Bjj grades bassically not your martial arts knowledge in total or based on how many tournaments you won or competed.
I suppose that it’s good to know someone’s lineage especially in a website like belt checker, people vote about your Bjj grades bassically not your martial arts knowledge in total or based on how many tournaments you won or competed.
MMBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlos Gracie jr. > Vinicius Magalhaes > Me
do you know chance vanek?
ABlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
JDBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Curious to see what everyone's lineage looks like. Also feel free to post your opinions on the importance or lack there of, of bjj lineage. How many steps from the source are you?! I am a blue belt under Allan Goes and my lineage is: Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlson Gracie > Allan Goes > Me
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlson Gracie>Ricardo Cavalcanti>Me
BUBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I train under Gustavo Machado. His website says:
BJJ Lineage:
Mitsuyo Maeda
Carlos Gracie Sr.
Helio Gracie
Carlos Gracie Junior
Roberto “Gordo” Correa
Gustavo “Guga” Machado
but this poster hangs in the main mat room:
BJJ Lineage:
Mitsuyo Maeda
Carlos Gracie Sr.
Helio Gracie
Carlos Gracie Junior
Roberto “Gordo” Correa
Gustavo “Guga” Machado
but this poster hangs in the main mat room:
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MLBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Carlos Gracie > Carlson Gracie > Rey Diogo > Me
Carlson Gracie forever!
Carlson Gracie forever!
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Jigoro Kano → Tomita Tsunejirō → Mitsuyo Maeda → Carlos Gracie Sr. → Carlos Gracie Jr. → Jean Jacques Machado → Christian Derr → Matt Tonubbee → Jessie Gonzales III
I think that this is a pretty good example of why lineage is pretty unimportant outside of a purely historical context. It's technically correct to trace things back to Kano, but I think what we do couldn't be further from Kano's Judo and still be a grappling art. And for that matter, why stop there? Kano was a student of Kito and Tenjin Shinyo Ryu Jujutsu and there's a lot of similarities in several Tenjin Shinyo Ryu Jujutsu Techniques and Judo, so why not just throw them into the mix as well, and their teachers, and their teachers teachers and so on until we reach ancient history and caveman Uhg who choked caveman Ick to death with his bare hands and became simultaneously the first grappler and the first murder?
And this isn't counting how muddied the waters get on the individual level. For example, I currently actively train at two BJJ gyms and one Judo Club and Meet up with a friend who does German Jujutsu and we cross train. I have one Coach who I consider my main coach and who I want all my rank from, but I'm obviously influenced by all three schools. Do I not include all three of their lineages as well?
Lineage is an interesting historical curiosity, but essentially meaningless outside of that.
And this isn't counting how muddied the waters get on the individual level. For example, I currently actively train at two BJJ gyms and one Judo Club and Meet up with a friend who does German Jujutsu and we cross train. I have one Coach who I consider my main coach and who I want all my rank from, but I'm obviously influenced by all three schools. Do I not include all three of their lineages as well?
Lineage is an interesting historical curiosity, but essentially meaningless outside of that.
TPBlack beltVerified
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
It’s this style, right? I’ve always wanted to learn some! https://youtu.be/xQKykW0epIA
Exactly. A very mysterious and deadly style. Much like the Scottish martial art I heard about called Fukyu. I heard it mainly consists of head butting and kicking people when there down.
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Exactly. A very mysterious and deadly style. Much like the Scottish martial art I heard about called Fukyu. I heard it mainly consists of head butting and kicking people when there down.
... "You know what this place needs? A really big, oversized poster of Atlantic City! Oh my God, you've got one!"
-i always longed for the day when i could randomly quote obscure films on a jiu jitsu message board, and here we are.
-i always longed for the day when i could randomly quote obscure films on a jiu jitsu message board, and here we are.
ATBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mitsuyo Maeda >
Carlos Gracie Sr >
Carlson Gracie Sr >
Jose Mario Sperry >
Rafael Haubert >
Me
I have had the honor to train with Carlson Sr when he travelled to the philippines in 2003 and have also trained with Ze Mario Sperry a handful of times here in Dubai.
Carlos Gracie Sr >
Carlson Gracie Sr >
Jose Mario Sperry >
Rafael Haubert >
Me
I have had the honor to train with Carlson Sr when he travelled to the philippines in 2003 and have also trained with Ze Mario Sperry a handful of times here in Dubai.
AJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlos Gracie Jr > Juki Nakai > Yoshihiro Fujita
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
-i always longed for the day when i could randomly quote obscure films on a jiu jitsu message board, and here we are.
You're welcome. ;)
MTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Curious to see what everyone's lineage looks like. Also feel free to post your opinions on the importance or lack there of, of bjj lineage. How many steps from the source are you?! I am a blue belt under Allan Goes and my lineage is: Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlson Gracie > Allan Goes > Me
Maeda > Helio > Fransisco Mansor > Me (Blue Belt)
Maeda > Helio > Royler > Daniel and Diego Moraes Corriea > Me (Purple - Black, 2 degrees)
Maeda > Helio > Royler > Daniel and Diego Moraes Corriea > Me (Purple - Black, 2 degrees)
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlos Gracie Jr > Marcio Feitosa > Rodrigo Lopes > Me
PBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
after reading the Robert Drysdale book, I'm not so sure about the Maeda part on the linages XD
TMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Helio Gracie- Flavio Behring- Sylvio Behring - Fernando Zulick - Reynaldo Ely Camejo - Me
