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Drop-in etiquette at a different academy?

6 year(s) ago • 12238 views • 46 replies

Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” Clas
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6 year(s) ago
Fellow Jiujiteiros,

Greeting from El Paso "Borderland", Texas, I'm fairly new to the Belt Checker community, but if you're going to give me mat space I'm going to use it! In light of the unprecedented amount of competition cancellations, I figure we could pass the time trading views. A recent experience I've had while travelling back home leads me to ask the question, "What is the best etiquette to drop-in to a new gym while on travel?"

Here's the background, I will not name the academy, or, location because that's not what this post is about. Also, without formal person to person interaction things can be taken out of context. Long story short, I was back home to attend a wedding and decided to drop-in at the academy closest to my brother's place where I was staying. The academy's website had a schedule posted and there was an open mat session that evening.

In the past I've formally reached out to schools via Facebook Messenger prior to dropping in, but this time I decided to wing it since I knew the schedule and it was more of a formality in those specific instances. After waiting for the kids class to end, I approached the professor and asked him if I could train? His response was short, not offensive, but showed little interest in welcoming in his academy.

Me: "Hi, I'm in town on a short trip and would like to train if it's possible?"
Professor: "Could you please go to the front this area is for students."
Me: "Okay" (Proceeded to the front of the academy)
Professor: "We don't have any classes tonight."
Me: "Oh... ok. Your website said there was an open mat this evening?"
Professor: "Yes that's correct, however, we do not let non-members train at our open mats. You could come back tomorrow afternoon for our class."
Me: "Ok, maybe I'll see you tomorrow."

The aforementioned exchange left me puzzled. Mainly because it was different from the many experiences I've had dropping in overseas as well as in the states. So, with sensationalized experience put in front of each of you. Tell me... what are the best practices of dropping in a new academy?

P.S. By the way, I did not return to the unnamed academy the next day. I made a trip across town and rolled at my cousin's gym with an amazing group of folks. Professor Andre Maneco Leite welcomed me into his academy, Soul Fighters Chicago Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, and made me feel like part of the family.
Jarrell Garcia
Jarrell Garcia
Black beltVerified32 forum posts3095/1000
6 year(s) ago
Best is relative and situational. I've emailed, called ahead, showed up prior to class with a big smile, and have still gotten cold treatment. I've also randomly shown up accidently and been welcome with open arms. IMO a relatively safe bet would be:
1. Email or Call Ahead (actually talking to someone or receiving a response): This allows you to ask them about their policies, the format of the class/open mat, drop in fee, allowed great (ie. Only white Gi's)etc.
2. Show up early and don't get on the mat, if possible depending on the space, until someone directs you and/or gives you permission.
3. Greet everyone
4. If an actually class, follow the instruction and don't start doing your own sh*t. This personally drives me crazy.
5. When it comes to rolling, you can assume most schools will follow the hierarchy rule of asking to roll. Additionally, I always ask if they have any injuries and what isn't allowed.
6. Don't try and kill people. Not to be confused with having everyone smash you, but not treating each roll like it's ADCC/Pan Ams.

I think these are some good basics, but I'm sure others can provide some additional insight.
Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” ClasOP
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6 year(s) ago
Coach Jarrell,

Thanks for the feedback, which I will also share as a checklist with other practitioners I know. Glad to hear my experience wasn't an outlier in the community. If you're ever out in El Paso let me know. You will be more than welcome to roll with us at Zen Martial Arts. Roll easy, Brother!
-Anthony
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1126 forum posts21045/1000
6 year(s) ago
As a visitor to a new/unknown academy, your every move will be scrutinized by the gym owner/professor/gym oldies. Partly learned from previous visitors - some of whom may be friendly, while others, not so and intent on destroying everyones' knees then walking away - not that this has happened to me. Jiu jitsu is such an intimate activity and it takes time to build trust and rapport, I think it is hard for most people to accept anyone that you've just met and treat them like a best friend.

When I'm visiting, I make sure to contact the instructor ahead and ask them which class is appropriate for me to attend & how long my expected visit will be (1 day - 1 week) so they know that I'm visiting.
I ask about mat/drop in fees and directions.
When I get there I introduce myself to everyone and follow their gym culture and mostly observe
I roll light and don't try any submissions on people as I'm just there for a workout and to learn how others teach and enjoy the new environment
I don't coach or give anyone instructions as a visitor then thank everyone and usually the resident Professor will waive mat fees so I will offer to buy a gym tshirt and/or prepare a reciprocal souvenir in advance.
I also give them a positive shoutout on my FB/Insta page (if it was warranted) and a follow up thank you email.
This usually leads to an invite to return when I'm next in town.
Hope this helps
Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” ClasOP
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6 year(s) ago
Professor Vince,

Your insight is greatly appreciated! It never even crossed my mind how drop-ins worked for Black Belts. As a lower belt, I just assumed practitioners at your level just picked up a phone and most academies were more than willing to accommodate because they can almost treat your visit as a seminar.

The common theme I'm seeing is over-communication and adopting the social norms of the hosting academy should be an expectation for non-affiliated practitioners. I Hope to cross paths with you professor. If you're ever in El Paso, you're more than welcome to train at Zen Martial Arts. Roll easy!
-Anthony
Ryan Gabey
Ryan Gabey
Black belt 1st degreeVerified184 forum posts5925/1000
6 year(s) ago
Usually the best way to get on a new instructor's good side is to immediately heel hook one of his white belts as hard as you can in order to establish dominance.
Obviously joking....but i imagine best way is to reach out ahead and talk to the instructor. Some small gyms are an intimate setting and like Vince said, it takes years to build that kind of trust. But if you can start a conversation first, it will probably help. It's not uncommon for visitors to pop into an academy and try to crush everyone as if they have something to prove. (Perhaps that instructor you met recently had a similar situation happen where visitor hurt one of his students or gave them ringworm?) you never know. All you can really do is be polite and hope that it's reciprocated.
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1126 forum posts21045/1000
6 year(s) ago
Professor Vince, ....
Vince is fine, or my alternative humbler title, Sir Super Grandmaster Supreme Head of the Universe and to all known to all life.
Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” ClasOP
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6 year(s) ago
Ryan,

Totally agree with your assessment. I try to keep an open mind when situations turn in another direction than originally anticipated. Definitely going to follow recommended outreach to the instructor prior to dropping in practices down the road. Also understand every practitioner's journey is different and shape approach. Great feedback, hope to trade technique with you someday. Be sure to stop by Zen Martial Arts if you're ever in El Paso. Roll easy!
-Anthony
Aaron Shields
Aaron Shields
Black beltVerified25 forum posts1470/1000
6 year(s) ago
Best practice is to contact them ahead of time in one way or another. Outside of that, you run the risk of being turned away. I attempted to drop in at an academy in the suburbs of Chicago as a purple belt, and was turned away because they had an incident where someone got injured by a visitor. I was blown away...never expecting that I would be turned away. But I learned a valuable lesson.....Not every school is run the same way or in the way that I would run it, and I need to be aware of that going forward.

Daniël Bertina
Daniël Bertina
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified880 forum posts15560/1000
6 year(s) ago
1. Be nice
2. Pay attention
3. Realize that your behaviour and attitude will be closely observed
4. Realize enforcers exist
Carl-Axel Bakke-Erichsen
Carl-Axel Bakke-Erichsen
Purple beltVerified55 forum posts1365/400
6 year(s) ago
Normally i reach out to the academy on messenger, I introduce myself, where I'm from and who i train under and tell them i`ll be visiting the city and would like to visit their gym. I ask for rules concerning gi`s etc. Normally i never ask for mat fee, but always bring money in case they ask for it. If they dont ask, I buy a t-shirt, rachguard or a souvenir from them. so they get something back for the hospitality. I always meet up early and i strive to not be in a rush when leaving, making me able to stick around and talk to the others. Depending on which country I'm in there often comes questions about BJJ in Norway, and maybe Norway in general.

I ask for a picture and makes a post on my instagram were i thank them for their hospitality
Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” ClasOP
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6 year(s) ago
Aaron, Daniël, Carl-Axel,

Thank you for your insights. For me, I think if I was a white or blue belt, or in an unfamiliar city/country, I would've been way more formal and would've tried to reach out in advance. Since I was a purple belt and in my hometown I think I was more careless.

One interesting observation I'm seeing is the growth in maturity from purple to brown to black in others. Definitely have to invoke my internal white belt anxiety in terms of not having the same expectations at each academy.

Another practice I didn't think about was purchasing the team gear. I mean I have done so in the past, but mostly in a seminar setting. I'll definitely put that technique in my back pocket.

Thanks again, if any of you are in El Paso reach out to me. You are all more than welcome at the gym I train at, Zen Martial Arts. Roll easy!
-Anthony

Scott McCausland
Scott McCausland
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified39 forum posts1450/1000
6 year(s) ago
In response to this - if anyone is ever in the Erie, PA, area - you are welcome to come and train at UndergroundBJJ (undergroundbjj.com) with no drop-in fee.

We are a small town with only a couple J gyms, everyone is welcome!
Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” ClasOP
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6 year(s) ago
Professor Scott,

Thank you for the invitation! I'll be sure to reach out if I'm in your area. Same goes for you and your teammates if you're ever in El Paso. Let me know and you can come out and train at Zen Martial Arts. Their a great group of folks and always welcome new grapplers with no issues. Roll easy!
-Anthony
Eb Chan
Eb Chan
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6 year(s) ago
I contact the BJJ club I am planning to visit ahead of time via email, messenger, etc. I let them know when I expect to be in town and ask if it is ok and if there is a drop in fee. I also ask if there is a gi color policy. You can never go wrong with a white gi without team logos all over it if you want to be safe. And if you don’t hear back from them yet and you are in mid travel a generic white gi is a safe bet. All that I have dropped into have been welcoming, even the one I dropped into in Hawaii unannounced because another one I planned to go to was closed and it was a last minute decision to try to make it for a class scheduled at another club.
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Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” ClasOP
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6 year(s) ago
Eb,

Thanks for contributing! I often travel with a white or blue gi just in case it's enforced at the academy. My last gym in Harker Heights, Texas, a GF Team affiliated academy, Twin Wolves MMA. Hope to share some technique with you down the way. If you're ever in El Paso reach out. You're welcome to drop in at Zen Martial Arts at any time. Roll easy! -Anthony
Eb Chan
Eb Chan
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6 year(s) ago
Eb, Thanks for contributing! I often travel with a white or blue gi just in case it's enforced at the academy. My last gym in Harker Heights, Texas, a GF Team affiliated academy, Twin Wolves MMA. Hope to share some technique with you down the way. If you're ever in El Paso reach out. You're welcome to drop in at Zen Martial Arts at any time. Roll easy! -Anthony
You’re welcome Anthony! That would be awesome! I appreciate it and thank you!
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Stuart Mitchell
Stuart Mitchell
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6 year(s) ago
Call ahead is a big plus

Especially if you are a senior belt. Mostly so the club can advise you ahead of time if the classes are suitable.

Also be humble. I'm a 2nd degree black belt and I have paid casual fees to have a purple belt teach the class. Of course the good thing about paying the fees is I felt no need to teach and had a day off.

Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
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6 year(s) ago
I love having visitors! For me, it's an honour when somebody chooses to drop in at my school rather than one of the many others in my city. I try to always take a pic, but don't always remember: https://www.instagram.com[...]jvisitors/

Of course, at the moment, no visitors at all, training is about to stop completely at my school (we'll be moving to online classes for the duration of the coronapocalypse, however long that proves to be). I was pretty surprised that even this morning I was still getting calls from people wanting to start training. Seriously, you pick NOW to try out BJJ?
Chris Thompson
Chris Thompson
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified28 forum posts5740/1000
6 year(s) ago
I usually only ever go to No Gi open mats at other academys so no one knows my level.

Then I like to tap all their purple and brown belts and then when they ask me what rank I am or how long I've trained I like to reply, ' just got my blue belt been training about 2 years' #boa
Roy Noonan
Roy Noonan
Black belt 1st degreeVerified53 forum posts2295/1000
6 year(s) ago
If someone new shows up unexpectedly to my class, I greet them straight away, welcome them in and introduce myself in as friendly a manner as possible, it can be a big step for someone completely new to show up to a Jiujitsu club and if there was no previous interaction between us (message ahead of showing up or ringing me) I’m going to assume they’re new until they tell me otherwise, which is usually the very next question, (have you trained Jiujitsu or other martial arts before?) not that it matters, only really for my own better understanding of their background.

If they have a gi and it’s a gi class I’ve no objections to its color or club logos once it’s a gi that’s designed for grappling and won’t rip which will only end up costing them money to replace. (Unless there’s some kind of offensive patch on it which I’ve never seen happen before) the class is free no matter their experience level. I do watch out for jewelry or long nails especially new comers as they mightn’t know the rules and I’ll explain them as needed. I’ll also tell beginners that I’ll show more than one technique to drill but I’ll be happy if they can only remember one of them, once they’re progressing. After the class I’ll explain a bit more about memberships and unless they turned out to be nothing but trouble (again I haven’t seen it) welcome them back

If I’m visiting a club I will message ahead with a good few days notice, telling them my level and how long I’m in the area for, and ask if I can visit and train with them, followed by which classes are on and how much per class is the membership. I will never assume any training is free. I arrive about 15 mins early just Incase there’s any screening forms to fill in or the training area might need to be set up. I always feel that I’m representing more than just myself, but my team also. So it’s important to be very respectful, aswell as all the usuals clipped nails, clean gi or no gi gear, and I would follow up with a message thanking the club when the visits are done.

Any add ons to the above?
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
6 year(s) ago
I travel a lot on business and ALWAYS reach out first and explain who I am and what I am looking for and ask if it is okay if I come by.. Some places are very welcoming others would prefer you not come by and that is cool. I have had a couple experiences where i felt I had a target on my back but for the most part the experiences have been awesome.. Several have asked me to do seminars...

I always try and be helpful when I am training in someone elses's academy and roll for the workout not the tap and just have fune..

I sold my company to a business in CA in January and they hired me to be President of their company so I have to go to Oceanside every 3 weeks I stopped by a great place called Excel and used this method and they treated me like long lost family
Anthony “doc” Clas
Anthony “doc” ClasOP
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6 year(s) ago
Call ahead is a big plus Especially if you are a senior belt. Mostly so the club can advise you ahead of time if the classes are suitable. Also be humble. I'm a 2nd degree black belt and I have paid casual fees to have a purple belt teach the class. Of course the good thing about paying the fees is I felt no need to teach and had a day off.
Professor Stuart,

Thank you for your insight! I totally agree with paying drop-in fees. That's why I often gravitate to seminars because the payments is expected and knocked out of the way early.

I will definitely be going formal until told otherwise by the academies I visit from now on. If you're ever in El Paso you will have a place to train at Zen Martial Arts. Roll easy! -Anthony
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-Zhang
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6 year(s) ago
Some places are very welcoming others would prefer you not come by and that is cool.
Has anyone actually asked you (politely or otherwise) not to come? I guess i'd respect them for being honest, better than letting you come but treating you badly. But still an odd way to act, do you think their instructor didn't want to be shown up by someone better?
Steven Zoll
Steven Zoll
Black belt 1st degreeVerified648 forum posts10510/1000
6 year(s) ago
Has anyone actually asked you (politely or otherwise) not to come? I guess i'd respect them for being honest, better than letting you come but treating you badly. But still an odd way to act, do you think their instructor didn't want to be shown up by someone better?
Personally, no, but one of my friends did. He was told that they didn't want "visitors" because they wanted to discourage their students from cross training at other gyms.
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
6 year(s) ago
Has anyone actually asked you (politely or otherwise) not to come? I guess i'd respect them for being honest, better than letting you come but treating you badly. But still an odd way to act, do you think their instructor didn't want to be shown up by someone better?
a couple of occasions I was told politely t to come.. I have no issue with that I always expect and try to insist on paying a drop in fee.. Every school has it's own unique vibe and I find it transitions down from the instructor

Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-Zhang
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6 year(s) ago
He was told that they didn't want "visitors" because they wanted to discourage their students from cross training at other gyms.
I respect their honesty but find their mindset bizarre. Can you imagine Pep Guardiola offering to explain his 4-3-3 and your local team says "nah mate, we do 4-4-2 here"?
Andrew Pardee
Andrew Pardee
Black belt 1st degreeVerified13 forum posts1150/1000
6 year(s) ago
At my Academy we get tons of people that come from out of town and wish to train.

Depending on how many days and how many times you wish to come and train depends on price. If you are only going to be in for the night and can only hit one class it’s Free.

However if you come in multiple times per week and come to multiple times per day we are going to charge you a fee.

Normally we do a per class fee or a Day pass fee.

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