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How many techniques do you really use?
6 year(s) ago • 7353 views • 43 replies
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Coronavirus has forced me to take a break from competing and i've been using that time to really think about the basics of how I want to fight. I've been looking for low percentage stuff I need to stop doing and and high percentage stuff i'm not doing. That led me to a thought - how many techniques do you really do when you care about winning?
I'm not talking about how many you know or what you do opportunistically in training. But when you're rolling and you actually care about winning, how many techniques do you really have in your arsenal?
After re-thinking how i do some things, my current target is an aspiration to get good at 51 techniques:
20 submissions (of which 5 are leg locks)
10 escapes
9 guard passes
5 takedowns
3 Back takes
2 sweeps
and 2 'other'
My short-term goal is to get competitive at Blue Belt level, i'd consider myself at that level for 22/51 of the techniques (43%). 12 of the things on my list relate to leg attacks (23%) which i've been shielded from so far because of the ruleset competing as a white belt / beginner.
I'm not talking about how many you know or what you do opportunistically in training. But when you're rolling and you actually care about winning, how many techniques do you really have in your arsenal?
After re-thinking how i do some things, my current target is an aspiration to get good at 51 techniques:
20 submissions (of which 5 are leg locks)
10 escapes
9 guard passes
5 takedowns
3 Back takes
2 sweeps
and 2 'other'
My short-term goal is to get competitive at Blue Belt level, i'd consider myself at that level for 22/51 of the techniques (43%). 12 of the things on my list relate to leg attacks (23%) which i've been shielded from so far because of the ruleset competing as a white belt / beginner.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
How many do you need...
In order to be competitive I'd say you only really NEED 3 things for each problem/situation.
Make sure they are ALL things you like and then drill the shit out of them (even better if they link nicely to each other) then gun for them in sparring making sure to be conscious in there execution especially when they DON'T work this is where you'll figure out most of the problems.
Example: Personally I only have about 3 things I'll do from 1/2 guard, live half guard and found myself snagging it before I even knew what it was as a white belt. Drilled it to the point of insanity (nearly have up BJJ in frustration of not making this work) now I know I can make one of this 3 moves work on almost anyone, even those better than me. I refer to 1/2 guard as my 'happy place' even though realistically I only 'know' 3 things from it, I just know them well.
This is for competition just to be clear, I fully advocate exposing yourself to new things and learning as much stuff as possible to be as well rounded as possible. I would say by doing this you will be better prepared for escape and such e.g. If you've never seen DLR you probably won't be able to dismantle it, pass it and then make your game work.
My thoughts... Its like higher level judo guys (as explained to me by a judo black belt) they only practise maybe 5 throws, competitively speaking.
In order to be competitive I'd say you only really NEED 3 things for each problem/situation.
Make sure they are ALL things you like and then drill the shit out of them (even better if they link nicely to each other) then gun for them in sparring making sure to be conscious in there execution especially when they DON'T work this is where you'll figure out most of the problems.
Example: Personally I only have about 3 things I'll do from 1/2 guard, live half guard and found myself snagging it before I even knew what it was as a white belt. Drilled it to the point of insanity (nearly have up BJJ in frustration of not making this work) now I know I can make one of this 3 moves work on almost anyone, even those better than me. I refer to 1/2 guard as my 'happy place' even though realistically I only 'know' 3 things from it, I just know them well.
This is for competition just to be clear, I fully advocate exposing yourself to new things and learning as much stuff as possible to be as well rounded as possible. I would say by doing this you will be better prepared for escape and such e.g. If you've never seen DLR you probably won't be able to dismantle it, pass it and then make your game work.
My thoughts... Its like higher level judo guys (as explained to me by a judo black belt) they only practise maybe 5 throws, competitively speaking.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
How many do you need... In order to be competitive I'd say you only really NEED 3 things for each problem/situation. Make sure they are ALL things you like and then drill the shit out of them (even better if they link nicely to each other) then gun for them in sparring making sure to be conscious in there execution especially when they DON'T work this is where you'll figure out most of the problems. Example: Personally I only have about 3 things I'll do from 1/2 guard, live half guard and found myself snagging it before I even knew what it was as a white belt. Drilled it to the point of insanity (nearly have up BJJ in frustration of not making this work) now I know I can make one of this 3 moves work on almost anyone, even those better than me. I refer to 1/2 guard as my 'happy place' even though realistically I only 'know' 3 things from it, I just know them well. This is for competition just to be clear, I fully advocate exposing yourself to new things and learning as much stuff as possible to be as well rounded as possible. I would say by doing this you will be better prepared for escape and such e.g. If you've never seen DLR you probably won't be able to dismantle it, pass it and then make your game work. My thoughts... Its like higher level judo guys (as explained to me by a judo black belt) they only practise maybe 5 throws, competitively speaking.
Ok so that's an interesting concept. I tried to think about what the definition of a problem would be, I'm not sure if this is too abstract but this is what I came up with:
1. They are standing with me and I want a takedown
2. They've taken me down and I need to recover
3. They have pulled guard on me and I need to pass
4. They are butt scooting and I need to pass
5. They have me in a leg entanglement and I need to escape
6. I have them in a leg entanglement and I want to finish
7. I'm on the bottom and I need to get back on top
8. I have them in side control / they have me there
9. I have them in mount / they have me there
10. I have their back / they have me there
The thing is, I'm not sure how rigid the "3 things" are? For example I want 5 submission options for #6 in order to deal with the different rulesets I compete under. There are 6 submissions that sit under #8 and I feel link nicely to each other.
1. They are standing with me and I want a takedown
2. They've taken me down and I need to recover
3. They have pulled guard on me and I need to pass
4. They are butt scooting and I need to pass
5. They have me in a leg entanglement and I need to escape
6. I have them in a leg entanglement and I want to finish
7. I'm on the bottom and I need to get back on top
8. I have them in side control / they have me there
9. I have them in mount / they have me there
10. I have their back / they have me there
The thing is, I'm not sure how rigid the "3 things" are? For example I want 5 submission options for #6 in order to deal with the different rulesets I compete under. There are 6 submissions that sit under #8 and I feel link nicely to each other.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
This is the thing, it can get as complex as you like or you can keep it simple.
I like things simple.
As I said I have, on average, 3 things for all my major problems/situations e.g. 3 side control escapes, 3 mount escapes the 3 submissions from side control and 3 submissions for mount ect. for what I find myself in; side-top mount, back control, leg entanglement and so on...
Know these intimately and be confident in them. In doing this I've found that even if I come across a position in not familiar with or comfortable in I either end up in or can make it into one of the positions I do know.
Another thing: Instead of having 12 submissions from one position... Mount for example, get annoyingly good at maintaining, transitioning to and circling back to the position then you can take a long as you like cycling through the 3 complimentary submissions you know from there until one sticks...
I know a guy who hates guard passing, no shit he falls over and pulls people onto Mount just to do his favorite mount escape... and nobody can stop him.
"Don't fear the man who knows 10,000 kicks, fear the man who's done 1 kick 10,000 times".
I like things simple.
As I said I have, on average, 3 things for all my major problems/situations e.g. 3 side control escapes, 3 mount escapes the 3 submissions from side control and 3 submissions for mount ect. for what I find myself in; side-top mount, back control, leg entanglement and so on...
Know these intimately and be confident in them. In doing this I've found that even if I come across a position in not familiar with or comfortable in I either end up in or can make it into one of the positions I do know.
Another thing: Instead of having 12 submissions from one position... Mount for example, get annoyingly good at maintaining, transitioning to and circling back to the position then you can take a long as you like cycling through the 3 complimentary submissions you know from there until one sticks...
I know a guy who hates guard passing, no shit he falls over and pulls people onto Mount just to do his favorite mount escape... and nobody can stop him.
"Don't fear the man who knows 10,000 kicks, fear the man who's done 1 kick 10,000 times".
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I would be surprised if I 'used' 50 techniques, I know more than that no doubt and I could probably teach them.
Then the whole 'conceptual' thing gets started and things can become murky. For example my fundamental concept to have a grasp of is distance management, now this could turn into a list of 1000+ techniques and ideas quite easily but that's another forum post that's already been thought of somewhere on BeltChecker surely.
Then the whole 'conceptual' thing gets started and things can become murky. For example my fundamental concept to have a grasp of is distance management, now this could turn into a list of 1000+ techniques and ideas quite easily but that's another forum post that's already been thought of somewhere on BeltChecker surely.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Honestly if everything goes well I use 3 techniques the entire match. lol
1. Hook Sweep.
2. Knee Slice Pass.
3. North South Kimura
I have won over 20 matches just using those 3 techniques. Even 3 matches against blue belts. Sure maybe I had to do 2 hook sweeps instead of 1 and play some guard but really that's all I did.
Normally what happens at white and blue belt is whoever has the best A game and or aggression wins. I think around Purple belt is when you really need to have that variety and depth to your plan B/C games. I do think that a blue belt should have at least 2 or 3 things to do from every position...but are they going to do them? no probably not. They are just going to try to force their A game. But being able to use that plan B and C from every position to deceive and manipulate until your able to snap back into that plan A is where it's at. Tricking your opponent that your doing something else just so you can do what you wanted to do to begin with. Example: Faking a kimura from close guard just to get a hip bump sweep...then still having the kimura that you really wanted all along.
If things do not go as planned then it becomes more conceptual and strategy based, not really on a set of techniques but more on movements to create and remove space and to distract and deceive until I am able to use the techniques that I wanted to use anyways. Playing the chess game. Not checkers.
I feel like slowly focusing on a few techniques for a month or more at a time is better in the long run then trying to learn a bunch all at once.
I feel like I am really good at maybe 3 techniques, Hook Sweep, Scissor Sweeps and Kimura.
And maybe good at Knee Slice Pass but not really good yet and I am still 6-5 vs blue belts only being good at 3 techniques.
I don't really count guard as a technique more of a concept of distance management and space but having a good guard and being able to pass guard is the most important thing.
#1. Can you stop someone from passing your guard?
#2. Can you pass their guard?
#3. Can you finish them with a submission?
To me that's all that ends up mattering.
1. Hook Sweep.
2. Knee Slice Pass.
3. North South Kimura
I have won over 20 matches just using those 3 techniques. Even 3 matches against blue belts. Sure maybe I had to do 2 hook sweeps instead of 1 and play some guard but really that's all I did.
Normally what happens at white and blue belt is whoever has the best A game and or aggression wins. I think around Purple belt is when you really need to have that variety and depth to your plan B/C games. I do think that a blue belt should have at least 2 or 3 things to do from every position...but are they going to do them? no probably not. They are just going to try to force their A game. But being able to use that plan B and C from every position to deceive and manipulate until your able to snap back into that plan A is where it's at. Tricking your opponent that your doing something else just so you can do what you wanted to do to begin with. Example: Faking a kimura from close guard just to get a hip bump sweep...then still having the kimura that you really wanted all along.
If things do not go as planned then it becomes more conceptual and strategy based, not really on a set of techniques but more on movements to create and remove space and to distract and deceive until I am able to use the techniques that I wanted to use anyways. Playing the chess game. Not checkers.
I feel like slowly focusing on a few techniques for a month or more at a time is better in the long run then trying to learn a bunch all at once.
I feel like I am really good at maybe 3 techniques, Hook Sweep, Scissor Sweeps and Kimura.
And maybe good at Knee Slice Pass but not really good yet and I am still 6-5 vs blue belts only being good at 3 techniques.
I don't really count guard as a technique more of a concept of distance management and space but having a good guard and being able to pass guard is the most important thing.
#1. Can you stop someone from passing your guard?
#2. Can you pass their guard?
#3. Can you finish them with a submission?
To me that's all that ends up mattering.
Edited 6 year(s) ago
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I try to shy away from thinking in "techniques" as much as possible nowadays. Is coming up with an underhook from half guard a technique? Is it a different technique than doing that from seated guard against kneeling? Standing? What if you finish in a single leg? Etc etc...
I think of it in terms of "situational pressures" e.g. it's one of the pressures to exert from most asymmetrical (sideways) bottom positions that can end up in
1) attacking the back
2) scrambling for top
3) single/double leg wrestling situations
4) sweeping sideways or over the head - main thing - tryput THEIR weight on their hands and then you'll end up doing either 2 or 3 anyway as a finish.
I think of it in terms of "situational pressures" e.g. it's one of the pressures to exert from most asymmetrical (sideways) bottom positions that can end up in
1) attacking the back
2) scrambling for top
3) single/double leg wrestling situations
4) sweeping sideways or over the head - main thing - tryput THEIR weight on their hands and then you'll end up doing either 2 or 3 anyway as a finish.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
kill the other guy, fast.
/ end thread.
/ end thread.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
well depends highly on the situation and opponent
im very easygoing even when i compete, sometimes i literally make something up while i compete and it even works
so you can guess i use alot of different moves
but lets say i face someone who i know is better, stronger, faster, heavier, more experieced etc. than me and has the edge over me in all aspects. probably i would only do 3 things: 1. get to closed guard 2. Triangle 3. Armbar
and i would hope for my luck since after all hes still better than all i got
or someone would tell me he would shoot me if i dont tap someone else in 15 sec.
theres only one choice: flying armbar from hell
those are slightly exaggerated situations but thats what it comes down to
it really depends alot on your opponent and situation
but i can say for sure during the first years dont focus too much on doing too many things
you gonna be just shitty at alot of things, better focus on what you like most
the latest moment you should start expanding your game is when you feel no progress and your favourite moves start being boring, actually thats even a bit late. once you feel the slightest bit of too much repetition thats when you need to add new stuff
as for your list its ok. i would down the passes and up the sweeps a bit, and maybe more escapes and slightly less subs but thats just personal preference
as for leglocks do them, getting started early is good. as long as your head is cool enough to not confuse it and do in comp whats not allowed
im very easygoing even when i compete, sometimes i literally make something up while i compete and it even works
so you can guess i use alot of different moves
but lets say i face someone who i know is better, stronger, faster, heavier, more experieced etc. than me and has the edge over me in all aspects. probably i would only do 3 things: 1. get to closed guard 2. Triangle 3. Armbar
and i would hope for my luck since after all hes still better than all i got
or someone would tell me he would shoot me if i dont tap someone else in 15 sec.
theres only one choice: flying armbar from hell
those are slightly exaggerated situations but thats what it comes down to
it really depends alot on your opponent and situation
but i can say for sure during the first years dont focus too much on doing too many things
you gonna be just shitty at alot of things, better focus on what you like most
the latest moment you should start expanding your game is when you feel no progress and your favourite moves start being boring, actually thats even a bit late. once you feel the slightest bit of too much repetition thats when you need to add new stuff
as for your list its ok. i would down the passes and up the sweeps a bit, and maybe more escapes and slightly less subs but thats just personal preference
as for leglocks do them, getting started early is good. as long as your head is cool enough to not confuse it and do in comp whats not allowed
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
well depends highly on the situation and opponent im very easygoing even when i compete, sometimes i literally make something up while i compete and it even works so you can guess i use alot of different moves but lets say i face someone who i know is better, stronger, faster, heavier, more experieced etc. than me and has the edge over me in all aspects. probably i would only do 3 things: 1. get to closed guard 2. Triangle 3. Armbar and i would hope for my luck since after all hes still better than all i got or someone would tell me he would shoot me if i dont tap someone else in 15 sec. theres only one choice: flying armbar from hell those are slightly exaggerated situations but thats what it comes down to it really depends alot on your opponent and situation but i can say for sure during the first years dont focus too much on doing too many things you gonna be just shitty at alot of things, better focus on what you like most the latest moment you should start expanding your game is when you feel no progress and your favourite moves start being boring, actually thats even a bit late. once you feel the slightest bit of too much repetition thats when you need to add new stuff as for your list its ok. i would down the passes and up the sweeps a bit, and maybe more escapes and slightly less subs but thats just personal preference as for leglocks do them, getting started early is good. as long as your head is cool enough to not confuse it and do in comp whats not allowed
This if I'm controlling from the bottom>
3 things: 1. get to closed guard 2. Triangle 3. Armbar
This if I'm being controlled from the bottom>
3 things: 1. kneel to posture 2. back up and keep moving to the sides, avoiding the legs/guard to pass
This if I'm controlling from the top>
3 things: 1. get to side control /cross sides 2. Choke
This if I'm being controlled from the top>
3 things: 1. get to my side/running man 2. transition to sitting
3 things: 1. get to closed guard 2. Triangle 3. Armbar
This if I'm being controlled from the bottom>
3 things: 1. kneel to posture 2. back up and keep moving to the sides, avoiding the legs/guard to pass
This if I'm controlling from the top>
3 things: 1. get to side control /cross sides 2. Choke
This if I'm being controlled from the top>
3 things: 1. get to my side/running man 2. transition to sitting
Edited 6 year(s) ago
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
This is the thing, it can get as complex as you like or you can keep it simple. I like things simple. As I said I have, on average, 3 things for all my major problems/situations e.g. 3 side control escapes, 3 mount escapes the 3 submissions from side control and 3 submissions for mount ect. for what I find myself in; side-top mount, back control, leg entanglement and so on... Know these intimately and be confident in them. In doing this I've found that even if I come across a position in not familiar with or comfortable in I either end up in or can make it into one of the positions I do know. Another thing: Instead of having 12 submissions from one position... Mount for example, get annoyingly good at maintaining, transitioning to and circling back to the position then you can take a long as you like cycling through the 3 complimentary submissions you know from there until one sticks... I know a guy who hates guard passing, no shit he falls over and pulls people onto Mount just to do his favorite mount escape... and nobody can stop him. 'Don't fear the man who knows 10,000 kicks, fear the man who's done 1 kick 10,000 times'.
Never say never, but at the moment i really can't see a need for 3 side control escapes or 3 mount escapes. I do the Priit Mihkelson system and haven't experienced any problems against white or blue belts. I do know of 3, but in terms of what I actually use, it's 1 and that area of things is working well for me.
The submission quantity is heavily influenced by side control (6) and ashi / double outside ashi (5). The side control ones are nice in the sense that they flow into each other. Failed kimura / americana can become a bicep slicer or a straight armbar.
The submission quantity is heavily influenced by side control (6) and ashi / double outside ashi (5). The side control ones are nice in the sense that they flow into each other. Failed kimura / americana can become a bicep slicer or a straight armbar.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Honestly if everything goes well I use 3 techniques the entire match. lol 1. Hook Sweep. 2. Knee Slice Pass. 3. North South Kimura I have won over 20 matches just using those 3 techniques. Even 3 matches against blue belts. Sure maybe I had to do 2 hook sweeps instead of 1 and play some guard but really that's all I did. Normally what happens at white and blue belt is whoever has the best A game and or aggression wins. I think around Purple belt is when you really need to have that variety and depth to your plan B/C games. I do think that a blue belt should have at least 2 or 3 things to do from every position...but are they going to do them? no probably not. They are just going to try to force their A game. But being able to use that plan B and C from every position to deceive and manipulate until your able to snap back into that plan A is where it's at. Tricking your opponent that your doing something else just so you can do what you wanted to do to begin with. Example: Faking a kimura from close guard just to get a hip bump sweep...then still having the kimura that you really wanted all along. If things do not go as planned then it becomes more conceptual and strategy based, not really on a set of techniques but more on movements to create and remove space and to distract and deceive until I am able to use the techniques that I wanted to use anyways. Playing the chess game. Not checkers. I feel like slowly focusing on a few techniques for a month or more at a time is better in the long run then trying to learn a bunch all at once. I feel like I am really good at maybe 3 techniques, Hook Sweep, Scissor Sweeps and Kimura. And maybe good at Knee Slice Pass but not really good yet and I am still 6-5 vs blue belts only being good at 3 techniques. I don't really count guard as a technique more of a concept of distance management and space but having a good guard and being able to pass guard is the most important thing. #1. Can you stop someone from passing your guard? #2. Can you pass their guard? #3. Can you finish them with a submission? To me that's all that ends up mattering.
Conceptually I see 6 possible ways a match can start:
1 & 2: you sit down and start to butt scoot / they sit down and start to butt scoot
2 & 4: one of you pulls guard
5 & 6: one of you gets a takedown
I wrote those in the order of difficulty they are to stop. So there are some devastating fast ways to win in BJJ, i'd wager you could win a lot of intermediate NoGi matches just by sitting down, going shin to shin guard, ashi and then finish with a footlock.
The thing is that since I want to compete for takedown, quite irrationally in BJJ terms, so i have to be able to deal with the butt scoot and the guard pull threats which adds a bunch of techniques I need to be good at before I can start my top game.
1 & 2: you sit down and start to butt scoot / they sit down and start to butt scoot
2 & 4: one of you pulls guard
5 & 6: one of you gets a takedown
I wrote those in the order of difficulty they are to stop. So there are some devastating fast ways to win in BJJ, i'd wager you could win a lot of intermediate NoGi matches just by sitting down, going shin to shin guard, ashi and then finish with a footlock.
The thing is that since I want to compete for takedown, quite irrationally in BJJ terms, so i have to be able to deal with the butt scoot and the guard pull threats which adds a bunch of techniques I need to be good at before I can start my top game.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
well depends highly on the situation and opponent im very easygoing even when i compete, sometimes i literally make something up while i compete and it even works so you can guess i use alot of different moves but lets say i face someone who i know is better, stronger, faster, heavier, more experieced etc. than me and has the edge over me in all aspects. probably i would only do 3 things: 1. get to closed guard 2. Triangle 3. Armbar and i would hope for my luck since after all hes still better than all i got or someone would tell me he would shoot me if i dont tap someone else in 15 sec. theres only one choice: flying armbar from hell those are slightly exaggerated situations but thats what it comes down to it really depends alot on your opponent and situation but i can say for sure during the first years dont focus too much on doing too many things you gonna be just shitty at alot of things, better focus on what you like most the latest moment you should start expanding your game is when you feel no progress and your favourite moves start being boring, actually thats even a bit late. once you feel the slightest bit of too much repetition thats when you need to add new stuff as for your list its ok. i would down the passes and up the sweeps a bit, and maybe more escapes and slightly less subs but thats just personal preference as for leglocks do them, getting started early is good. as long as your head is cool enough to not confuse it and do in comp whats not allowed
I would say that i'm currently "shitty at alot of things" and suspect I do need to focus more going forward. For me, the ideal technique is one that works MMA, NoGi and Gi (in that priority order). What I like is a top game, the number of passes (9) is driven by:
3 passes against a butt scooter, there's no way to stop someone sitting down and i think you need a mixture of attacks for this situation
3 passes against butterfly guard, again it's a popular guard and i don't think 1 pass is enough as the dynamics can change quite a lot
1 pass vrs closed guard, half guard and lockdown
In terms of escapes, I do priit mihkelson's system and have a lot of success with it. I do know of more escapes from side control and mount, i just find them all lower percentage than priit's stuff.
3 passes against a butt scooter, there's no way to stop someone sitting down and i think you need a mixture of attacks for this situation
3 passes against butterfly guard, again it's a popular guard and i don't think 1 pass is enough as the dynamics can change quite a lot
1 pass vrs closed guard, half guard and lockdown
In terms of escapes, I do priit mihkelson's system and have a lot of success with it. I do know of more escapes from side control and mount, i just find them all lower percentage than priit's stuff.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
This if I'm controlling from the bottom> 3 things: 1. get to closed guard 2. Triangle 3. Armbar This if I'm being controlled from the bottom> 3 things: 1. kneel to posture 2. back up and keep moving to the sides, avoiding the legs/guard to pass This if I'm controlling from the top> 3 things: 1. get to side control /cross sides 2. Choke This if I'm being controlled from the top> 3 things: 1. get to my side/running man 2. transition to sitting
Which choke are we talking in the 3rd case?
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Conceptually I see 6 possible ways a match can start: 1 & 2: you sit down and start to butt scoot / they sit down and start to butt scoot 2 & 4: one of you pulls guard 5 & 6: one of you gets a takedown I wrote those in the order of difficulty they are to stop. So there are some devastating fast ways to win in BJJ, i'd wager you could win a lot of intermediate NoGi matches just by sitting down, going shin to shin guard, ashi and then finish with a footlock. The thing is that since I want to compete for takedown, quite irrationally in BJJ terms, so i have to be able to deal with the butt scoot and the guard pull threats which adds a bunch of techniques I need to be good at before I can start my top game.
Even though I always pull guard...I would love it for my opponent to pull guard first because I feel very comfortable passing the guard or just hanging out in half guard wearing them down especially in gi being able to get a cross colar choke grip from 1/2 guard and finishing the pass. I just don't want to waste all my energy trying to take them down and then be exhausted for my next matches.
As long as I have one leg pinned down and control the other leg so it's not able to get any inside hooks I feel very comfortable.
If your already good at takedowns and wrestling I would just practice passing the guard and knee slice passes, and getting very comfortable in 1/2 guard from the top position because you can force that top 1/2 guard position and transition from there.
I spent a few months just forcing top 1/2 guard and working in and out and transitioning all around that position and helped me feel very comfortable against good guard players being able to pass the 1/2 guard and not feeling defeated if I get knocked back into it after passing, just keeping the pressure with good posture/balance to make sure not to get swept.
It's like a dance of figuring out and knowing when to move each piece of the puzzle (your arms, legs, knees) when they move a certain way to counter balance your posture so your not vulnerable to a sweep or kimura and knowing when to back out and reset. It's like a fun mini-game. lol
As long as I have one leg pinned down and control the other leg so it's not able to get any inside hooks I feel very comfortable.
If your already good at takedowns and wrestling I would just practice passing the guard and knee slice passes, and getting very comfortable in 1/2 guard from the top position because you can force that top 1/2 guard position and transition from there.
I spent a few months just forcing top 1/2 guard and working in and out and transitioning all around that position and helped me feel very comfortable against good guard players being able to pass the 1/2 guard and not feeling defeated if I get knocked back into it after passing, just keeping the pressure with good posture/balance to make sure not to get swept.
It's like a dance of figuring out and knowing when to move each piece of the puzzle (your arms, legs, knees) when they move a certain way to counter balance your posture so your not vulnerable to a sweep or kimura and knowing when to back out and reset. It's like a fun mini-game. lol
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Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Which choke are we talking in the 3rd case?
Technique: Any choke that I can capitalize one
Strategy: Misdirection and/or make the bottom person over commit/over extend their defense. The *most* difficult type of defender is one that doesn't want to move and stall - in my mind then, if it was a fight situation, the bottom person can be "opened up" with strikes which means they will try to defend strikes by moving their head away in conjunction with extending their arms to some degree, thereby opening up an opportunity for a choke. If purely grappling then it will be the use of me repositioning, using pressure and timing for them to want to move as I will want to put as much pressure as possible - constricting pressure if you like
Strategy: Misdirection and/or make the bottom person over commit/over extend their defense. The *most* difficult type of defender is one that doesn't want to move and stall - in my mind then, if it was a fight situation, the bottom person can be "opened up" with strikes which means they will try to defend strikes by moving their head away in conjunction with extending their arms to some degree, thereby opening up an opportunity for a choke. If purely grappling then it will be the use of me repositioning, using pressure and timing for them to want to move as I will want to put as much pressure as possible - constricting pressure if you like
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Even though I always pull guard...I would love it for my opponent to pull guard first because I feel very comfortable passing the guard or just hanging out in half guard wearing them down especially in gi being able to get a cross colar choke grip from 1/2 guard and finishing the pass. I just don't want to waste all my energy trying to take them down and then be exhausted for my next matches. As long as I have one leg pinned down and control the other leg so it's not able to get any inside hooks I feel very comfortable. If your already good at takedowns and wrestling I would just practice passing the guard and knee slice passes, and getting very comfortable in 1/2 guard from the top position because you can force that top 1/2 guard position and transition from there. I spent a few months just forcing top 1/2 guard and working in and out and transitioning all around that position and helped me feel very comfortable against good guard players being able to pass the 1/2 guard and not feeling defeated if I get knocked back into it after passing, just keeping the pressure with good posture/balance to make sure not to get swept. It's like a dance of figuring out and knowing when to move each piece of the puzzle (your arms, legs, knees) when they move a certain way to counter balance your posture so your not vulnerable to a sweep or kimura and knowing when to back out and reset. It's like a fun mini-game. lol
The main thing I was having trouble with before lockdown was being in their closed guard. Since then I've heard John Danaher and Keenan Cornelius say that you should always just get up to your feet instead of trying to pass whilst kneeling. I feel like that's probably fixed most of the problem.
Passing vs a butt scooter is a whole different ball game and understanding shin to shin guard is currently where I'm at. First thing I'll do after lockdown is head over to a 10th planet club to test whether what I know in theory, works in practice.
Passing vs a butt scooter is a whole different ball game and understanding shin to shin guard is currently where I'm at. First thing I'll do after lockdown is head over to a 10th planet club to test whether what I know in theory, works in practice.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Technique: Any choke that I can capitalize one Strategy: Misdirection and/or make the bottom person over commit/over extend their defense. The *most* difficult type of defender is one that doesn't want to move and stall - in my mind then, if it was a fight situation, the bottom person can be 'opened up' with strikes which means they will try to defend strikes by moving their head away in conjunction with extending their arms to some degree, thereby opening up an opportunity for a choke. If purely grappling then it will be the use of me repositioning, using pressure and timing for them to want to move as I will want to put as much pressure as possible - constricting pressure if you like
Well I have 6 chokes in that 51 techniques:
Guillotine from standing
Guillotine from side control
RNC
North-South Choke
Then I'd use a guillotine to pass shin to shin guard and half guard, but wouldn't expect to sub them with it unless they made a mistake. Which has happened.
Guillotine from standing
Guillotine from side control
RNC
North-South Choke
Then I'd use a guillotine to pass shin to shin guard and half guard, but wouldn't expect to sub them with it unless they made a mistake. Which has happened.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Alex I hope you archive all your posts. Some of them you'll find hilarious about 5-10 years from now if you'll keep doing this sport as enthusiastically as you are now.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Alex I hope you archive all your posts. Some of them you'll find hilarious about 5-10 years from now if you'll keep doing this sport as enthusiastically as you are now.
I'll probably chill in a bit, but i'm very influenced by my experiences with other sports. Imagine investing 7 years into a sport only to eventually realise that you've learnt skills that don't suit your body type at all and the skills you need are precisely the ones you don't have. I'm not going through that again!
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Which choke are we talking in the 3rd case?
This if I'm controlling from the top>
3 things: 1. get to side control /cross sides 2. Choke
Note: Choke from side control > paper cutter, baseball, arm triangle, and other variations that your partner gives depending on the position of their arms and torso.
I find it better if you maintain the side control rather than give up the position as you still have the secondary shoulder and arm attacks, and sometimes *giving up the side control now* launch into an unexpected leg lock but that often results in a scramble. Happy training!
3 things: 1. get to side control /cross sides 2. Choke
Note: Choke from side control > paper cutter, baseball, arm triangle, and other variations that your partner gives depending on the position of their arms and torso.
I find it better if you maintain the side control rather than give up the position as you still have the secondary shoulder and arm attacks, and sometimes *giving up the side control now* launch into an unexpected leg lock but that often results in a scramble. Happy training!
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Alex I hope you archive all your posts. Some of them you'll find hilarious about 5-10 years from now if you'll keep doing this sport as enthusiastically as you are now.
So many times I have said things that I thought were smart to realize 3 months later I was an idiot. And I am sure I am still doing it now and will keep doing it. lol

Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
So many times I have said things that I thought were smart to realize 3 months later I was an idiot. And I am sure I am still doing it now and will keep doing it. lol
We've all gone through the drawing stick figures in our training notebooks thinking we were smart doing that at one point, only looking back one day to ask ourselves what the heck we were thinking :)
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Number of techniques? I have no idea.
I have a few core concepts I keep in my head when rolling. Stuff (the techniques) springs from applying these concepts:
0) Keep people out of my 'inner space' by any means possible. 'inner space' for me is the space between my neck and my knees - I always want my own arms and legs occupying this space. Doesn't matter what position I'm in, If my opponent gets ANYTHING in that space, I immediately stop what I'm doing and try to get them out.
1) Constantly attacking their base by any means possible. A little push or pull here right when I feel them move. There's a timing element to this. You also need good grip strategy. I don't attack arms/legs/necks/sweeps/etc anymore, but rather, I attack base and balance and I've found that the opportunities to attack those targets presents themselves. I've heard this called 'kuzushi' before.
As far as the number of techniques you should be good at? 51 might be a bit much. Roger Gracie says you only need about 10 (1, preferably 2 from each position so you can toggle back and forth) and I would agree and maybe make the argument that it's even less than that, but who am I to question him.
”I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
- Bruce Lee
EDIT: spelling
I have a few core concepts I keep in my head when rolling. Stuff (the techniques) springs from applying these concepts:
0) Keep people out of my 'inner space' by any means possible. 'inner space' for me is the space between my neck and my knees - I always want my own arms and legs occupying this space. Doesn't matter what position I'm in, If my opponent gets ANYTHING in that space, I immediately stop what I'm doing and try to get them out.
1) Constantly attacking their base by any means possible. A little push or pull here right when I feel them move. There's a timing element to this. You also need good grip strategy. I don't attack arms/legs/necks/sweeps/etc anymore, but rather, I attack base and balance and I've found that the opportunities to attack those targets presents themselves. I've heard this called 'kuzushi' before.
As far as the number of techniques you should be good at? 51 might be a bit much. Roger Gracie says you only need about 10 (1, preferably 2 from each position so you can toggle back and forth) and I would agree and maybe make the argument that it's even less than that, but who am I to question him.
”I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
- Bruce Lee
EDIT: spelling
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Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Number of techniques? I hove no idea. I have a few core concepts I keep in my head when rolling. Stuff (the techniques) springs from applying these concepts. 0) Keep people out of my 'inner space' by any means possible. 'inner space' for me is the space between my neck and my knees - I always want my own arms and legs occupying this space. Doesn't matter what position I'm in, If my opponent gets ANYTHING in that space, I immediately stop what I'm doing and try to get them out. 1) Constantly attacking their base by and means possible. A little push or pull here right when I feel them move. There's a timing element to this. You also need good grip strategy. I don't attack arms/legs/necks/etc anymore, but rather, I attack base and balance and I've found that the opportunities to attack those target present themselves. I've heard this called 'kuzushi' before. As far as the number of techniques you should be good at? 51 might be a bit much. Roger Gracie says you only need about 10 (1, preferably 2 from each position so you can toggle back and forth) and I would agree and maybe make the argument that it's even less than that, but who am I to question him. ”I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” - Bruce Lee
I think it depends what we're defining as a "technique". I've got 4 guard varieties that you can't really avoid and so each one needs a pass and a sweep or submission, which gets you to 8 "techniques" before we even start doing takedowns.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I think it depends what we're defining as a 'technique'. I've got 4 guard varieties that you can't really avoid and so each one needs a pass and a sweep or submission, which gets you to 8 'techniques' before we even start doing takedowns.
You could distill that down because with all those guard variations, you still have to accomplish the same single goal - get past the legs initially.
You could have two passes (maybe even one), get really proficient with them and funnel your opponent into that game.
That's why I admire Roger Gracie so much as he's able to employ a handful of white belt techniques on high level black belts at will.
You could have two passes (maybe even one), get really proficient with them and funnel your opponent into that game.
That's why I admire Roger Gracie so much as he's able to employ a handful of white belt techniques on high level black belts at will.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
You can pass around the legs, over the legs and under the legs ;)
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
You could distill that down because with all those guard variations, you still have to accomplish the same single goal - get past the legs initially. You could have two passes (maybe even one), get really proficient with them and funnel your opponent into that game. That's why I admire Roger Gracie so much as he's able to employ a handful of white belt techniques on high level black belts at will.
Yeah i'm just making a distinction between what i'm calling "techniques" and "concepts". Conceptually my defence is that i 'never allow my opponent to occupy the space between my armpit and my knee'. However, there are specific techniques that sit under that because sometimes they are going to get in that space and some ways of recovering are better than others. As a black belt, you probably do the better ones without realising it. But i remember i was trying to escape north-south once, i felt some space which seemed like it would be a good idea to move towards and I essentially put myself in an arm bar. Even before the arm bar was applied i knew i'd messed up.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Yeah i'm just making a distinction between what i'm calling 'techniques' and 'concepts'. Conceptually my defence is that i 'never allow my opponent to occupy the space between my armpit and my knee'. However, there are specific techniques that sit under that because sometimes they are going to get in that space and some ways of recovering are better than others. As a black belt, you probably do the better ones without realising it. But i remember i was trying to escape north-south once, i felt some space which seemed like it would be a good idea to move towards and I essentially put myself in an arm bar. Even before the arm bar was applied i knew i'd messed up.
Good points and I may bave been conflating the terms of 'technique' and 'concept'.
I look at jiu jitsu a lot like boxing now - a combat sport that really only has a handful of techniques that can be put together in an endless series of combinations - very effectively! The 'concept' of 'protect your jaw' is accomplished by the 'techniques' of keeping your hands up and tucking your jaw along side your lead shoulder. I could see how 'hands up' could be looked at as a concept as there are many different subskills to that (slap down, elbow up, elbow down to block a body shot, etc).
And as for myself, I simply don't have time to practice and get really good at 50+ techniques (and stay good at them via 'maintenance' practice). I'm would say I'm familiar with over 50 techniques but I wouldn't say I'm 'good' (or even decent) at most of them, which is why I strive to make my game as lean as possible, playing to my biomechanical strengths (heavier while being tall and long limbed) and minimizing my weaknesses (long legs are easy targets for leg attacks, center of balance is higher).
Good discussion, btw! :)
I look at jiu jitsu a lot like boxing now - a combat sport that really only has a handful of techniques that can be put together in an endless series of combinations - very effectively! The 'concept' of 'protect your jaw' is accomplished by the 'techniques' of keeping your hands up and tucking your jaw along side your lead shoulder. I could see how 'hands up' could be looked at as a concept as there are many different subskills to that (slap down, elbow up, elbow down to block a body shot, etc).
And as for myself, I simply don't have time to practice and get really good at 50+ techniques (and stay good at them via 'maintenance' practice). I'm would say I'm familiar with over 50 techniques but I wouldn't say I'm 'good' (or even decent) at most of them, which is why I strive to make my game as lean as possible, playing to my biomechanical strengths (heavier while being tall and long limbed) and minimizing my weaknesses (long legs are easy targets for leg attacks, center of balance is higher).
Good discussion, btw! :)
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Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Coronavirus has forced me to take a break from competing and i've been using that time to really think about the basics of how I want to fight. I've been looking for low percentage stuff I need to stop doing and and high percentage stuff i'm not doing. That led me to a thought - how many techniques do you really do when you care about winning? I'm not talking about how many you know or what you do opportunistically in training. But when you're rolling and you actually care about winning, how many techniques do you really have in your arsenal? After re-thinking how i do some things, my current target is an aspiration to get good at 51 techniques: 20 submissions (of which 5 are leg locks) 10 escapes 9 guard passes 5 takedowns 3 Back takes 2 sweeps and 2 'other' My short-term goal is to get competitive at Blue Belt level, i'd consider myself at that level for 22/51 of the techniques (43%). 12 of the things on my list relate to leg attacks (23%) which i've been shielded from so far because of the ruleset competing as a white belt / beginner.
Such a rambunctious character, with so many high hopes. its always like that until you get promoted. then it all goes out the window..


