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Issues attacking from mount no gi (exposing opponent's arms)
6 year(s) ago • 5709 views • 14 replies
BNPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi everyone,
Personally, I love attacking from mount. Takedown & pass to mount is one of my favorite methods to approach a match. I was watching back some old matches recently and doing some critical self review and I realized that when I get to mount (no gi) I have a hard time separating the arms from the opponent's body. In gi, I have much more success because the use of the mounted cross collar strangle is so good at exposing the opponent's defenses. However, I also really like switching to the mounted armbar.
I know that I can always pass to mount and take the points no gi, but I want to take advantage of my armlocking from there as well as opposed to looking for side control/back as a path to finish.
Any thoughts?
Personally, I love attacking from mount. Takedown & pass to mount is one of my favorite methods to approach a match. I was watching back some old matches recently and doing some critical self review and I realized that when I get to mount (no gi) I have a hard time separating the arms from the opponent's body. In gi, I have much more success because the use of the mounted cross collar strangle is so good at exposing the opponent's defenses. However, I also really like switching to the mounted armbar.
I know that I can always pass to mount and take the points no gi, but I want to take advantage of my armlocking from there as well as opposed to looking for side control/back as a path to finish.
Any thoughts?
JABlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
We tend to shift to S-mount to stabilise mounted position and attack both the neck and the arms?
How is your S-mount game?
Here is Roger showing how he does it.
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]_1U3br_mOM
How is your S-mount game?
Here is Roger showing how he does it.
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]_1U3br_mOM
Edited 6 year(s) ago
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
We tend to shift to S-mount to stabilise mounted position and attack both the neck and the arms? How is your S-mount game? Here is Roger showing how he does it. https://www.youtube.com/w[...]_1U3br_mOM
Nice video with good explanations, i'd prefer a triangle for s-mount personally but i like the way he explained the setup
BNPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
We tend to shift to S-mount to stabilise mounted position and attack both the neck and the arms? How is your S-mount game? Here is Roger showing how he does it. https://www.youtube.com/w[...]_1U3br_mOM
I will check it out! Thanks for the rec.
BNPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Fist choke/no gi ezekiel for motivation... Also check out that option: https://youtu.be/fgEDfytcnAI
Not opposed to the fist choke/no gi-zekiel but I find "good" people don't really react. Perhaps I need to get better at it.
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
2 words... wrist. locks.
JABlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Got to love wrist locks :-)
MMBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
s mount is my preferred mount option but sometimes its really hard to get under the elbows. I put my hand on the mat right under their arm and them walk my fingers up. a large motion they can stop but the small movements of my fingers they cant. walk fingers up till elbow raises then move to technical mount or s-mount
ANBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
wristlocks open people usually up qite well for armlocks
but be careful not to hurt them with the writslocks...
but be careful not to hurt them with the writslocks...
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I train almost exclusively no-gi nowadays, and I only really use mounted triangle, armbar, and head&arm triangle from mount. Typically, the pass -> back take game is much more effective in no-gi then the pass -> mount game.
FGBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Trust in you hip pressure and your hooks to hold the mount without the need to use your hands to stabilise. If you are able to do this well then you can use the No Gi Ezekiel to get a reaction fro your opponent which may lead to a submission, an americana, arm wrap, an armbar entry or even just a simple arm isolation. You can use the arm isolation to build your attack, and cook your partner's arm by keeping their arm up high and away from their body in a weakened position. I hope that makes sense and is of some help!
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Someone may have already said it but push the arm/elbow to one side, grab the wrist, wrap around their neck, go to s mount and take the back or once you have the wrist control as your taking the back you can just get the leg around and go straight into armbar.
Just seems to me if you can control the wrist its easier to take the back and then you can always go for the armbar after if you want, or if you can control the elbow knowing that they can't free their elbow then you can go straight for the armbar. If you can't control the elbow then you can't really go straight to armbar.
Just seems to me if you can control the wrist its easier to take the back and then you can always go for the armbar after if you want, or if you can control the elbow knowing that they can't free their elbow then you can go straight for the armbar. If you can't control the elbow then you can't really go straight to armbar.
Edited 6 year(s) ago
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
That's why mount finishes are rare - people are willing to take the risk of giving up their backs and that's fine. That's also one of the reasons why subs from the back are so prevalent in gi and nogi.
SMBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
For no-gi mount I prefer to climb up to S-mount. However, if the person is very athletic or doing a good job blocking me, I'll cook him for a bit with abdominal pressure (sometimes get a tap right there), and look for shoulder locks or wrist locks. I'll sometimes go for the fist-choke if I'm feeling mean (and usually get it). The pressure alone generally gets a reaction that either opens up arms for attacks or allows progression to a higher mount.
If the defender is strong and doing a good job of keeping elbows tight during the climb, I almost always switch to a mounted leg triangle.
Of course, once one gets to S-mount, it is a target-rich environment.
If the defender is strong and doing a good job of keeping elbows tight during the climb, I almost always switch to a mounted leg triangle.
Of course, once one gets to S-mount, it is a target-rich environment.
