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Injuring others
5 year(s) ago • 1589 views • 18 replies
GFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
--- anyone willing to share similar experiences of feeling like crap after injuring someone?
during sparring yesterday I caught my partner with a nice SLX set-up, we both smile since it was the theme of the class earlier, he resists the first sweep by moving his center of gravity over to the other leg, but I feel like it's still there for the taking and re-shoot my hips up a bit as I re-apply pressure on his knee; he loose balance and pop-pop-pop... that awful cracking sound, like heavy cloth rapidly tearing in bursts...
I'm 75Kg and he's gotta be close to 100Kg, experienced 4 stripe blue.
we get along great and we weren't rolling hard.
First time it happens to me in training to hurt someone, I heard that same cracking-ripping once in competition years ago, and it wasn't a fart.
The mental image of imagining ligaments tearing is so painful.
I'd be lying to say that it's worse than injuring yourself, but it's a different kind of shitty feeling.
gomen-nasai, I'm so sorry.
during sparring yesterday I caught my partner with a nice SLX set-up, we both smile since it was the theme of the class earlier, he resists the first sweep by moving his center of gravity over to the other leg, but I feel like it's still there for the taking and re-shoot my hips up a bit as I re-apply pressure on his knee; he loose balance and pop-pop-pop... that awful cracking sound, like heavy cloth rapidly tearing in bursts...
I'm 75Kg and he's gotta be close to 100Kg, experienced 4 stripe blue.
we get along great and we weren't rolling hard.
First time it happens to me in training to hurt someone, I heard that same cracking-ripping once in competition years ago, and it wasn't a fart.
The mental image of imagining ligaments tearing is so painful.
I'd be lying to say that it's worse than injuring yourself, but it's a different kind of shitty feeling.
gomen-nasai, I'm so sorry.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah I have had similar things happen over the years. I felt bad but knew it was either a freak accident or because my partner was being reckless. I have also been reckless. It happens. Hope your friend is not too bad off.
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I put our head coach out for months due to a knee blown. We were rolling lightly and I was in deep half & had cupped his knee on the straightened leg more firmly than he thought, so when he did some kind of a quick spin/step with the other leg to get out, the knee didn't move from my grip but everything of him above it did.
His fault not mine. :D Still felt bad.
My worst injury is a badly cracked rib (still pointing out from my chest), that was inflicted by a more experienced, lighter guy passing me (he was probably sub-70, I was about 80). Plain bad luck that I had just emptied my lungs to get in more of a ball when he shifted his weight perfectly and my rib cage gave in. Tried my best to convince him not to feel sorry about it as he had to help me get dressed to board an ambulance.
His fault not mine. :D Still felt bad.
My worst injury is a badly cracked rib (still pointing out from my chest), that was inflicted by a more experienced, lighter guy passing me (he was probably sub-70, I was about 80). Plain bad luck that I had just emptied my lungs to get in more of a ball when he shifted his weight perfectly and my rib cage gave in. Tried my best to convince him not to feel sorry about it as he had to help me get dressed to board an ambulance.
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JABlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I was doing an uchi mata on another student and my bad knee finally gave out, side effect of this was since the tendon snapped finally my leg went total noodle as I mule kicked his balls as he said "the hardest I've ever been hit"
I couldn't move my leg as I'm figuring out that my knee blew out and I'm trying not to laugh as he writhing around in pain as I'm apologizing and explaining why I can't walk... I felt very bad I had done that and he's trying to apologize as I'm profusely telling him he did nothing wrong as I'm laughing about him writhing around in pain due to his balls.
ahh, good times...
I couldn't move my leg as I'm figuring out that my knee blew out and I'm trying not to laugh as he writhing around in pain as I'm apologizing and explaining why I can't walk... I felt very bad I had done that and he's trying to apologize as I'm profusely telling him he did nothing wrong as I'm laughing about him writhing around in pain due to his balls.
ahh, good times...
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ABlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
It’s happens, thankfully not too often but it does, freak accidents.
DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've been more on the receiving end of things than the dishing. Had a whitebelt once show me a takedown he'd just learnt in a seminar that I missed. He started a nice gentle o soto gari, so I start to fall sitting my ass to ground, then he whips around and turns into a tai otoshi like its the final of the olympics. Net result, full ACL rupture as my feet were too planted. Was out for a year due to reconstruction. Lesson learned was never let a whitebelt demo a technique he's just learned on you. He actually felt so bad about what he did that he ended up leaving our school. Sadly, he also ended up breaking the orbital of the instructor at the school he went to after.
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ABlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've been more on the receiving end of things than the dishing. Had a whitebelt once show me a takedown he'd just learnt in a seminar that I missed. He started a nice gentle o soto gari, so I start to fall sitting my ass to ground, then he whips around and turns into a tai otoshi like its the final of the olympics. Net result, full ACL rupture as my feet were too planted. Was out for a year due to reconstruction. Lesson learned was never let a whitebelt demo a technique he's just learned on you. He actually felt so bad about what he did that he ended up leaving our school. Sadly, he also ended up breaking the orbital of the instructor at the school he went to after.
True. Been hit many more times that ever hit someone. And most of the time by new guys
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've been more on the receiving end of things than the dishing. Had a whitebelt once show me a takedown he'd just learnt in a seminar that I missed. He started a nice gentle o soto gari, so I start to fall sitting my ass to ground, then he whips around and turns into a tai otoshi like its the final of the olympics. Net result, full ACL rupture as my feet were too planted. Was out for a year due to reconstruction. Lesson learned was never let a whitebelt demo a technique he's just learned on you. He actually felt so bad about what he did that he ended up leaving our school. Sadly, he also ended up breaking the orbital of the instructor at the school he went to after.
Dayum that's rough!
SBBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I tore my very good friend and main training partner's pec with a kimura and after his surgery and recovery I blew out his knee working lockdown. It's been 10 years and I still won't' use lockdown on anyone I care about. The way we look at it is that it's my responsibility to keep my partners safe and it's his job to tap before he gets hurt. We were both at fault when he got hurt.
GFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
...Net result, full ACL rupture as my feet were too planted...
this is definitely a pattern ; "feet too planted" while there's a rotation applied to the knee.
I'm not a fan of the "dive bunny" mentality in Aikido, but there's a middle ground of knowing when to take the weight off for self-preservation.
reminds me that recently a white belt lost balance and fell on my wrist as we were going through a lasso sweep variation, I was so not prepared.
we were just showing how coming up recklessly could turn into a biceps-slicer, and trying to avoid the biceps slicers he just fell on my wrist... ouch.
I'm not a fan of the "dive bunny" mentality in Aikido, but there's a middle ground of knowing when to take the weight off for self-preservation.
reminds me that recently a white belt lost balance and fell on my wrist as we were going through a lasso sweep variation, I was so not prepared.
we were just showing how coming up recklessly could turn into a biceps-slicer, and trying to avoid the biceps slicers he just fell on my wrist... ouch.
GFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I tore my very good friend and main training partner's pec with a kimura and after his surgery and recovery I blew out his knee working lockdown. It's been 10 years and I still won't' use lockdown on anyone I care about. The way we look at it is that it's my responsibility to keep my partners safe and it's his job to tap before he gets hurt. We were both at fault when he got hurt.
it's a good point about shared responsibility.
keep your partners safe (but still honest, goldilocks amount of resistance and stress)
tap early (it's typically more interesting for our development to rewind back a few steps and identify where we screwed up in the first place)
thanks for the input everyone!
keep your partners safe (but still honest, goldilocks amount of resistance and stress)
tap early (it's typically more interesting for our development to rewind back a few steps and identify where we screwed up in the first place)
thanks for the input everyone!
JABlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
it's a good point about shared responsibility. keep your partners safe (but still honest, goldilocks amount of resistance and stress) tap early (it's typically more interesting for our development to rewind back a few steps and identify where we screwed up in the first place) thanks for the input everyone!
I practice sub application that way - I believe Prof. Danaher talked about it - holding as a control position / pin (like for Judo). I practice my wrist locks and heel hooks, slicers etc that way. I figure if I can put them on nice and slow if I had to rip one I could (at least in my feeble mind) ;)
BVBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've had two training partners tear their knee during leg entanglements, one of them aggressively rolling into the pressure of a tightly locked inside heel hook.
I feel like shit for a moment, but quickly realize that the fault is really at the people who are spazzing. You should never cranck submissions in training, but ultimately your own safety is your own responsibility. Tap often and tap early.
Apart from that, freak accident have happened to me and my training partners as well, sometimes shit just happens and I think we have to accept that at one point during our jiu-jitsu lives, it will happen.
I feel like shit for a moment, but quickly realize that the fault is really at the people who are spazzing. You should never cranck submissions in training, but ultimately your own safety is your own responsibility. Tap often and tap early.
Apart from that, freak accident have happened to me and my training partners as well, sometimes shit just happens and I think we have to accept that at one point during our jiu-jitsu lives, it will happen.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I tore my very good friend and main training partner's pec with a kimura and after his surgery and recovery I blew out his knee working lockdown. It's been 10 years and I still won't' use lockdown on anyone I care about. The way we look at it is that it's my responsibility to keep my partners safe and it's his job to tap before he gets hurt. We were both at fault when he got hurt.
I've had to stop early over 100 times with my North South Kimura as people are to dumb to tap sometimes and don't realize how much danger they are in. Even in tournaments I have had to take it easy on multiple blue belts and even a black belt in nogi forced me to apply more pressure then I should have had to apply for him to tap after I initially paused waiting for him to tap and he forced me to crank it a little bit more and even then I was being gentle. If I wasn't being nice it would literally leave someones arm just dangling at the shoulder...people really need to learn what is dangerous and tap accordingly.
In practice I have got to where I will just Isolate the arm and if they don't tap right away to the kimura like they should I will just transition to Bicep Slicer for them being stupid and then Armbar to finish if they toughed out the slicer.
In practice I have got to where I will just Isolate the arm and if they don't tap right away to the kimura like they should I will just transition to Bicep Slicer for them being stupid and then Armbar to finish if they toughed out the slicer.
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DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
this is definitely a pattern ; 'feet too planted' while there's a rotation applied to the knee. I'm not a fan of the 'dive bunny' mentality in Aikido, but there's a middle ground of knowing when to take the weight off for self-preservation. reminds me that recently a white belt lost balance and fell on my wrist as we were going through a lasso sweep variation, I was so not prepared. we were just showing how coming up recklessly could turn into a biceps-slicer, and trying to avoid the biceps slicers he just fell on my wrist... ouch.
Feet too planted with rotation is also how I tore my other knee when I was a teen (rugby). My cleets were well planted and I turned, foot didn't. Yeah, it is a classic way to rupture your ACL, happens a lot to soccer players too.
CBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Never caused any major injuries to anybody, but even the little ones feel bad. Many lightly hyper extended elbows due to falls while I'm armlocking, some toe hold pops, one nasty wristlock that did damage both sides of the wrist. These days I rarely go for subs with such ferocity that could cause any damage. Catch and release. That is the way.
JLBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Only major injuries I've caused are during matches or fights, and I feel horrible. My second mma fight I broke my opponents rib and shoulder, I almost cried in the cage then he told me he would've done the same to me lol.
Most recently I broke someone's Tib/Fib in an outside heel hook. Super loud gunshot sound. I freaked out, stayed with him until the ambulance came. Felt horrible, haven't competed since. On the bright side homie just got engaged, and they met because of his broken leg
Most recently I broke someone's Tib/Fib in an outside heel hook. Super loud gunshot sound. I freaked out, stayed with him until the ambulance came. Felt horrible, haven't competed since. On the bright side homie just got engaged, and they met because of his broken leg
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Most recently I broke someone's Tib/Fib in an outside heel hook. Super loud gunshot sound. I freaked out, stayed with him until the ambulance came. Felt horrible, haven't competed since. On the bright side homie just got engaged, and they met because of his broken leg
Nice. So you're a heel hooker pimp!
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Nice. So you're a heel hooker pimp!
it's like that movie Good Luck Chuck but in this one he breaks your leg and then you find your true love. Lol
I like this premise better than the original!
I like this premise better than the original!
