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Have you ever rolled with real Special Forces guys?

5 year(s) ago • 3225 views • 35 replies

Daniël Bertina
Daniël Bertina
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5 year(s) ago
It's something else. They bring a level of intensity and focus that is downright frightening.

There's something special about rolling with a person who's most likely got several confirmed kills in conflict zones.

They're not quitting, ever.
They have insane focus and drive.
When they catch you slipping, you're absolutely fucked.
Everything is done with equal parts precision and murderous intent.
They are far from the meathead stereotype, on the contrary, most are super humble, smart, down to earth guys you'll meet.
They are also terrifying.

I have crossed paths with members of:
Serbian special forces
SAS
South African law enforcement (the equivalent of SWAT)
US military, now DOD contractors.

Scary, scary individuals.

Ray Robles
Ray Robles
Black beltVerified104 forum posts3890/1000
5 year(s) ago
Quite a few times, and I feel like they breakdown into two groups...... Guys who are relaxed, but proper intensity, aaaaand guys whom I'd like some sort of verification that they've been frisked for knives or other weapons, and I watch them as they leave to go out to the parking lot, just to make sure that they aren't going to the car to grab a gun.
Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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5 year(s) ago
It's something else. They bring a level of intensity and focus that is downright frightening. There's something special about rolling with a person who's most likely got several confirmed kills in conflict zones. They're not quitting, ever. They have insane focus and drive. When they catch you slipping, you're absolutely fucked. Everything is done with equal parts precision and murderous intent. They are far from the meathead stereotype, on the contrary, most are super humble, smart, down to earth guys you'll meet. They are also terrifying. I have crossed paths with members of: Serbian special forces SAS South African law enforcement (the equivalent of SWAT) US military, now DOD contractors. Scary, scary individuals.
Ha Ha! This is interesting to me. Before I went to Marine Combat Dive school there was folklore and other tales surrounding that course and other courses along the way to achieving goals such as a member of an elite unit. The rumor for dive school was that the instructors would drown each and every candidate and then revive them. Within most myths or rumors there is some truth. This also served to eliminate some people from ever giving selection a shot. Not every candidate blacks out underwater, but some do. They are pulled out, revived, and given the option to continue training. I've seen it from both sides, candidate, and instructor.
Marcus Vasquez
Marcus Vasquez
Black belt 1st degreeVerified6 forum posts1800/1000
5 year(s) ago
Yes. I have with all guys at all grappling levels. They are all always strong regardless of build. It’s a different experience compared to visiting a gym out in town and visiting a gym full of those monsters
Michael Morgan
Michael Morgan
Blue beltVerified128 forum posts2105/200
5 year(s) ago
Trained judo with some whilst deployed.

If you think they are scary then do some training with a professional rugby player from the English Super League or international equivalent .
Claudio
Claudio
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5 year(s) ago
I was stationed at Cannon AFB, (AFSOC). For 4 years.....had a chance to train with a few, they definitely have zero quit in them.....
Sean Brandle
Sean Brandle
Black belt 1st degreeVerified236 forum posts1320/1000
5 year(s) ago
I used to train with a former Navy Seal that had ACL issues in both knees and some neck issues. He was an OK roll. He was one or two belt levels above me when we rolled so I very occasionally got to test his tapping ability, but he tapped appropriately at that point in his life. I rolled with an air marshal and the only way to submit him was to put him to sleep. He was a big, strong white belt that would let it snap before he tapped. He is a scary dude that reminded me that I'm playing Jiu Jitsu and this isn't a fight and I'm not a fighter just because I'm good at Jiu Jitsu.
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
5 year(s) ago
The finnish defence force is a joke, imo, but they do have some tough guys that take the stuff seriously. Our MP training officer was this 75-77 kg dude who could handle 3 of us grunts simultaneously. Pretty sure I could handle that type of guy with relative ease these days, but it wouldn't be fun. :D
Anthony Restuccia
Anthony Restuccia
Black beltVerified650 forum posts12595/1000
5 year(s) ago
My coach previous to my current coach is a retired sniper and teaches combatives to the military. We always had good rolls, but I often felt like he could kill me at any moment if he wanted to. He also used to tell his students when they got upset at something / someone, "Don't worry about it. It's not like you're getting shot at."
Davide Di Maggio
Davide Di Maggio
Purple beltVerified164 forum posts550/400
5 year(s) ago
I've rolled several times with an ex member of Israelian special force "Duvdevani" who left the military life and came to Italy studying medicine.
He was 60 kilos and very skinny, but tough as hell. Fast and relentless. A real beast.
Daniël Bertina
Daniël BertinaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified880 forum posts15560/1000
5 year(s) ago
I should clarify.

My experience is NOT that these people offer a spazzy roll, never tapping, letting shit pop. Going full Russian death mode, if you will.
Not at all.

More that there is a certain demeanor in their actions. You just feel that, should they decide to pull the kill switch, you'll be charcoal toast.

A sort of unspoken understanding that we play a violent sport, but actual violence is another beast.

Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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5 year(s) ago
You want to roll with a Special Operations Medic. Here is the reason, we go through many many months of, not only selection for elite combat units, but we go through (some of us) at least 1 year of medical training to treat any number of medical conditions in any combat or non-combat austere environment. This includes high-altitude, Airborne/Freefall, diving medicine. We ARE trauma gods! The good news is if we break you, we can also fix you, or set you on the path to recovery. Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsman at your service (Retired) for U.S. Marine Special Operations, Marine Amphibious Reconnaissance, and some tier-one U.S.Navy assets. Our motto is: "The difficult anytime. The impossible by appointment only. "
As I said, I am retired from the military and I am 46. I tap right after we bump fist, just to set the tone. I currently train at a BJJ gym in Florida that is literally full of Army Special Forces and Airforce Special Operations folks as well as conventional soldiers, airmen, sailors, and a few Marines (The few. The proud. A few good men...get it?). The instructor of our school is not of that background. He gives us the goods!!!!

This is us, a link posted below

https://www.reconcorpsman[...]n/mission/
Trevor Lasn
Trevor Lasn
Blue beltVerified4 forum posts1210/200
5 year(s) ago
> HAVE YOU EVER ROLLED WITH REAL SPECIAL FORCES GUYS?

No. But I have rolled with army dudes and police officers. They keep it cool.
Daniël Bertina
Daniël BertinaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified880 forum posts15560/1000
5 year(s) ago
You want to roll with a Special Operations Medic. Here is the reason, we go through many many months of, not only selection for elite combat units, but we go through (some of us) at least 1 year of medical training to treat any number of medical conditions in any combat or non-combat austere environment. This includes high-altitude, Airborne/Freefall, diving medicine. We ARE trauma gods! The good news is if we break you, we can also fix you, or set you on the path to recovery. Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsman at your service (Retired) for U.S. Marine Special Operations, Marine Amphibious Reconnaissance, and some tier-one U.S.Navy assets. Our motto is: 'The difficult anytime. The impossible by appointment only. ' As I said, I am retired from the military and I am 46. I tap right after we bump fist, just to set the tone. I currently train at a BJJ gym in Florida that is literally full of Army Special Forces and Airforce Special Operations folks as well as conventional soldiers, airmen, sailors, and a few Marines (The few. The proud. A few good men...get it?). The instructor of our school is not of that background. He gives us the goods!!!! This is us, a link posted below https://www.reconcorpsman[...]n/mission/
Sold.

Hope we get to meet sometime, on a mat, somewhere.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
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5 year(s) ago
Every day, I'm in the Washington, DC metro area and very close to Quantico. This is one of the big reasons we added firearms training to the curriculum (which I leave to them as I'm a white belt with that stuff). Occasionally I will go visit with the FBI Training Academy guys as well and have taught classes there for the new recruits. We are even planning to do a free LEO/Military specific seminar here soon with retired UFC fighter Yves Edwards who is a close friend of the gym. For anyone interested I can post details when we get the curriculum hammered out for that class.
Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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5 year(s) ago
Sold. Hope we get to meet sometime, on a mat, somewhere.
That would be great! It would be great to travel and meet up with many here, around the world, learn something, and maybe offer something in return. Eglin, AFB if you are ever in the area. Blacksmith Jiu-jitsu is right outside the base.
Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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5 year(s) ago
Every day, I'm in the Washington, DC metro area and very close to Quantico. This is one of the big reasons we added firearms training to the curriculum (which I leave to them as I'm a white belt with that stuff). Occasionally I will go visit with the FBI Training Academy guys as well and have taught classes there for the new recruits. We are even planning to do a free LEO/Military specific seminar here soon with retired UFC fighter Yves Edwards who is a close friend of the gym. For anyone interested I can post details when we get the curriculum hammered out for that class.
Some of the guys from my gym have started our instructor in some shooting basics.
Shawn Carn
Shawn Carn
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified195 forum posts2885/1000
5 year(s) ago
we have bunch of militaries, and scientist I my gym oddly enough one military guy was a bomb tech and use to be the most worriesum one of the group.
Davide Di Maggio
Davide Di Maggio
Purple beltVerified164 forum posts550/400
5 year(s) ago
I've rolled several times with an ex member of Israelian special force "Duvdevani" who left the military life and came to Italy studying medicine.
He was 60 kilos and very skinny, but tough as hell. Fast and relentless. A real beast.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
Some of the guys from my gym have started our instructor in some shooting basics.
Smart. He should do what we did and get a bunch of certified firearms instructors to start offering courses and classes. We used the United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) for ours. We have 6 certified USCCA instructors that are all also long time students in BJJ/Judo and or Muay Thai/MMA. We figured that we would need to add it to compensate for what we thought would be a huge loss of students because of the pandemic. It ended up just being extra income as we didn't get hit that hard.
Augusto Juarez
Augusto Juarez
Brown beltVerified13 forum posts975/700
5 year(s) ago
I was stationed in Bragg, and there were a lot of SF dudes over there, purple belt and up. (I was a white belt then.) Really cool, chill dudes. It wad actually the Paratroopers that wrecked me with their intensity, but that was probably because most of them were on the younger side.

What’s memorable though was training with Nick, who was able to triangle choke me somehow:
Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
Purple beltVerified252 forum posts2245/400
5 year(s) ago
I was stationed in Bragg, and there were a lot of SF dudes over there, purple belt and up. (I was a white belt then.) Really cool, chill dudes. It wad actually the Paratroopers that wrecked me with their intensity, but that was probably because most of them were on the younger side. What’s memorable though was training with Nick, who was able to triangle choke me somehow:
I've seen this warrior before. He is a testament to perseverance. He got himself back to full combat duty on the level he was serving prior to his wounds.
Jeremy Senn
Jeremy Senn
Purple beltVerified1 forum posts1040/400
5 year(s) ago
I think my experience is a bit different from your own. I worked at a special operations unit for 6 years as a civilian. Just like the rest of us, the more they train the better they are. The guys at the unit I was at were so busy with other trainings that they rarely had the time or desire to train combatives or BJJ. As a new blue belt I submitted every person in the final tournament of a two week combatives course that I was allowed to participate in. Let me be clear, I am definitely not disparaging the guys I trained with there. Their ops tempo does not allow them to train nearly enough to be proficient in everything. Conversely, I would go shoot with those guys and they made me look like it was the first time I ever held a weapon.
Jessie Gonzales
Jessie Gonzales
Black beltVerified50 forum posts1935/1000
5 year(s) ago
YES. Seriously the most determined person at my gym. He's in his early 50s yet he's the most athletic and energetic guy in class. The strongest grip in class, some of the smoothest transitions, quickest reactions, and always the beaming smile on his face. I believe he's former Green Beret if I remember correctly.
Mirco
Mirco
Brown beltVerified805 forum posts5075/700
1 year(s) ago
I was stationed in Bragg, and there were a lot of SF dudes over there, purple belt and up. (I was a white belt then.) Really cool, chill dudes. It wad actually the Paratroopers that wrecked me with their intensity, but that was probably because most of them were on the younger side. What’s memorable though was training with Nick, who was able to triangle choke me somehow:
I have rolled with special police forces members and Special response team members but not with military SF guys.
The physical attributes are one thing, but the mindset and focus of these guys is just on another level. I experienced a similar mindset though in high level athletes (1.st division Judo athletes, etc..)

Ft. Bragg/NC:
My former Coach, Roy Marsh (former student of Greg Thompson/Team ROC), is from that area and also taught Jiu Jitsu at Bragg 82nd and 3re Battalion 3rd Group SF...he also said, that these SF guys are just on another level in relation to focus, mindset....
Ethan Hedstrom
Ethan Hedstrom
Black beltVerified78 forum posts11955/1000
1 year(s) ago
I've rolled with few army and marines there tough even at lower belt levels always determined to do better and win matches
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1126 forum posts21045/1000
1 year(s) ago
Yes, have rolled with a retired (but still young - below 40 yr old) US Marine and Korean Special Forces (late 20's). No doubt determined and strong. Their mindset and drive is what sets them apart from non-military people

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