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Cervical Disc Herniation - has anyone returned to BJJ after this?

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Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnell
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5 year(s) ago
Hi, I’ve just been diagnosed with 2 (yes 2!) herniated discs in my c-5/c-6 and c-6/c-7. My Neurosurgeon has advised I wait it out for another 6 weeks as there’s a chance I could recover without surgery.
With or without surgery I am really concerned I’ll never be able to train BJJ again or at least the way I did before. My jiu jitsu is not amazing of course, but I love it like all of you and can’t imagine life without it. I know I’m in the right place when I say that. I’m an aggressive player and I want to train hard they way I did before when I’m recovered. I know recovery might be a long road (a year or more possibly).
Has anyone had the same injury and have gone back to training at a decent level?
Please be honest! Thank you
Brandon Weeks
Brandon Weeks
Brown beltVerified2 forum posts1095/700
5 year(s) ago
I underwent spinal fusion surgery on my L4 and L5 - 9 months ago. I just received my purple belt 2 weeks ago. Do what the doctor says and do it right and you will be fine. My back hasn’t felt this good since I was in my 20’s.
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1126 forum posts21045/1000
5 year(s) ago
I have a C5/6 disc herniation & no surgery. Still training & coaching but always watching out for headlocks, neck cranks and guillotines. Sometimes badly executed RNC can put me out of commission for a couple of days. Took a while to recover but it's been years now. More recently one of my purple belts had his C5/6/7? fused and he's back training. Neck and shoulder pains and tingling in arm/fingers have gone. Doesn't seem to restrict his movements but he has been to rehab. I guess you won't be able to play an aggressive game without exposing your neck to more damage so perhaps you might want to re-evaluate your future game based on your condition with your coach. All the best
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
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5 year(s) ago
I have a C5/6 disc herniation & no surgery. Still training & coaching but always watching out for headlocks, neck cranks and guillotines. Sometimes badly executed RNC can put me out of commission for a couple of days. Took a while to recover but it's been years now. More recently one of my purple belts had his C5/6/7? fused and he's back training. Neck and shoulder pains and tingling in arm/fingers have gone. Doesn't seem to restrict his movements but he has been to rehab. I guess you won't be able to play an aggressive game without exposing your neck to more damage so perhaps you might want to re-evaluate your future game based on your condition with your coach. All the best
Thanks for your reply it’s much appreciated and I am glad it’s a success story! It’s early days for me (I had an MRI only 2 weeks ago) so I know the road to recovery will be a long one. I will do whatever it takes to get back on the mats and to stay there. Thanks for the advice. Osss!
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
I underwent spinal fusion surgery on my L4 and L5 - 9 months ago. I just received my purple belt 2 weeks ago. Do what the doctor says and do it right and you will be fine. My back hasn’t felt this good since I was in my 20’s.
One of my team mates also had surgery on the lumber for a herniated disc and says rolling actually helps to keep his back feel loose and flexible. But I wonder if it’s the same for injuries to the neck? Only time will tell I suppose. Thank you so much for responding. I appreciate it. May you continue to roll pain and injury free as long as possible. Osss!
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4322 forum posts39320/1000
5 year(s) ago
Herniated discs in lower back (14 years ago) and neck (3-4 years ago) here. I am still affected by both on a daily basis. Jiu Jitsu is possible, but you have to redesign your training and life to work around it. Lot of focus on correct posture in everything you do, which in itself is not a bad thing anyway.

No more inverted guard, wrestling without a straight back or being stacked in triangles :D
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R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
I had four herniations in my lumbar spine.
Had a microdiscectomy for one the blew out two years ago. I still train but limited in mobility due to all the nerve damage. My left leg is still a mess because of it. Just happy to teach and train. Always had neck
herniations as well. Surgery is not going to happen so I just make sure to watch my neck and maintain it. I find that icing my neck and back every morning, afternoon and night have really helped. I also do the Wim Hof method. Especially the cold (ice bath) immersion. Helps keep my body moving.
Hope you find relief and a way to continue training.
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
Herniated discs in lower back (14 years ago) and neck (3-4 years ago) here. I am still affected by both on a daily basis. Jiu Jitsu is possible, but you have to redesign your training and life to work around it. Lot of focus on correct posture in everything you do, which in itself is not a bad thing anyway. No more inverted guard, wrestling without a straight back or being stacked in triangles :D
Thanks for responding and the advice. Did you have surgery? The Neurosurgeon said whatever I do my back is permanently damaged so the pain will come back every now and again once I’m healed. I going to introduce Yoga and Pilates as part of my training regime once I am healed, which will of course take some time away from the mats but I think in the long run it will help with my strength and posture and keep me on the mat long term.
Happy rolling. Osss!
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Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
I had four herniations in my lumbar spine. Had a microdiscectomy for one the blew out two years ago. I still train but limited in mobility due to all the nerve damage. My left leg is still a mess because of it. Just happy to teach and train. Always had neck herniations as well. Surgery is not going to happen so I just make sure to watch my neck and maintain it. I find that icing my neck and back every morning, afternoon and night have really helped. I also do the Wim Hof method. Especially the cold (ice bath) immersion. Helps keep my body moving. Hope you find relief and a way to continue training.
4 ouch! Thanks for responding and your advice. I am glad you keep up your training despite your limitations. For me, I have only been part of the jiu jitsu world a very short time, 3 years, but couldn’t imagine it not being part of my life. There’s no other sport out there like it. Happy rolling. Osss!
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4322 forum posts39320/1000
5 year(s) ago
Thanks for responding and the advice. Did you have surgery? The Neurosurgeon said whatever I do my back is permanently damaged so the pain will come back every now and again once I’m healed. I going to introduce Yoga and Pilates as part of my training regime once I am healed, which will of course take some time away from the mats but I think in the long run it will help with my strength and posture and keep me on the mat long term. Happy rolling. Osss!
I did not have surgery, they said it would be a hit or miss anyway, and there was a good chance it could even make it worse over time. What has helped me tremendously is core and mobility training as well as a hardcore focus on correct posture in everything I do, on and off the mats.
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
I did not have surgery, they said it would be a hit or miss anyway, and there was a good chance it could even make it worse over time. What has helped me tremendously is core and mobility training as well as a hardcore focus on correct posture in everything I do, on and off the mats.
Thanks for getting back to me and the advice. Merry Christmas!
Jeremy Whorton
Jeremy Whorton
Blue beltVerified8 forum posts1415/200
5 year(s) ago
Hi, I’ve just been diagnosed with 2 (yes 2!) herniated discs in my c-5/c-6 and c-6/c-7. My Neurosurgeon has advised I wait it out for another 6 weeks as there’s a chance I could recover without surgery. With or without surgery I am really concerned I’ll never be able to train BJJ again or at least the way I did before. My jiu jitsu is not amazing of course, but I love it like all of you and can’t imagine life without it. I know I’m in the right place when I say that. I’m an aggressive player and I want to train hard they way I did before when I’m recovered. I know recovery might be a long road (a year or more possibly). Has anyone had the same injury and have gone back to training at a decent level? Please be honest! Thank you
I have the same injury as you as well as herniated discs in my Lumbar spine. Luckily and Unluckily I did have to take time off the Mats after the first of the year but that was mostly due to the COVID-19 Lockdown situation but it was well needed in my case. Prior to the Lockdown I still trained but would occasionally get tingling/numbness in hands and arm when neck was pinched in "bad" situations. I still get tingling In my hands/arms but nothing like when I first injured it. I do a lot of stretching of my neck. I read your post about Yoga and will definitely say incorporating that will be extremely beneficial however, take not of Christians advice and pay attention to your posture and positioning. I had to modify many techniques/postures for Yoga solely because my head/neck can't be in specific positions. In addition, you can still roll but I would highly recommend letting your training partners know beforehand to be careful with you neck. And in those instances you do get caught up don't be afraid to tap. I am getting ready to get back on the mats after a brief stint away due to a recent relocation. I would also ensure that you work with your Neurosurgeon and let them know of your situation and what the sport means to you. Don't be afraid to talk to them. My new Neurosurgeon had me utilize various conservative methods before even recommending surgery to include injections, RFA, as well as Rehab/Physical Therapy. I would definitely try those before jumping straight into surgery. The best thing you can do is just stay informed and do what works for you. My Neurosurgeon has said that at some point I will have to have surgery as there is probably no way around it but says that following recovery there isn't any reason to NOT get back on the mats and is extremely supportive of my plans to resume training when that time comes. He has only stated that I will most likely have to make modifications to my training plans with regards to takedowns, competitions, etc. Just follow the advice of your Dr. and don't put yourself in a negative mindset. That was honestly the hardest thing for me, when fusion on my neck was initially brought up by another Dr. I felt like it was all over, especially since at that point I had already dealt with the Lumbar herniation for 10 years. The first Dr. told me I wouldn't be able to do anything and I almost believed him till I began reaching out to others that had similar issues and doing my own individual research. My NEW Neurosurgeon is very confident that even with a Disc Replacement as opposed to fusion I will be fine to resume just with limitations as previously stated. Keep the FAITH, RECOVER, and BE SMART with your injuries. Sorry for such a long post just wanted to let you know that you are not alone and give you pointers into what I have done. Take care!
Enrico Di Luise
Enrico Di Luise
Black beltVerified8 forum posts5860/1000
5 year(s) ago
I have Met and had lot of Bjj practitioners / teammate whit those kind of problems. With the proper treatment (bot surgical and non-surgical) and some adaptations in rolling/training all of them are back on the mat and, in some case, in competition. Be Optimistic about that. (Personally I suffered a lot of vertebrae spondylolistheis and again with the right therapy I m still here hitting the mat)
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
5 year(s) ago
At 26 I broke the Atlas in my neck and almost died it took ten years to get medical approval to fight.. Came back to Kick box, fight MMA and grapple professionally ..

At 55 had a compression fracture of C-4 herniating the disks above and below while diving for a heel hook at a Pro Show. competed a month later (big mistake) took a few months off and rehabbed while still training but working around it and am doing pretty good right now,, Refused surgery on both but I attacked rehab like my life depended on it
Enrico Di Luise
Enrico Di Luise
Black beltVerified8 forum posts5860/1000
5 year(s) ago
At 26 I broke the Atlas in my neck and almost died it took ten years to get medical approval to fight.. Came back to Kick box, fight MMA and grapple professionally .. At 55 had a compression fracture of C-4 herniating the disks above and below while diving for a heel hook at a Pro Show. competed a month later (big mistake) took a few months off and rehabbed while still training but working around it and am doing pretty good right now,, Refused surgery on both but I attacked rehab like my life depended on it
The Atlas!?!?? wow....normally is lethal. and then You came back competing...so inspiring.
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
5 year(s) ago
The Atlas!?!?? wow....normally is lethal. and then You came back competing...so inspiring.
Doctor actually said it was the strength that saved me immediately afterward I was paralyzed and the Halo was a fun experience when they tighten it you get freaked out
Sean Brandle
Sean Brandle
Black belt 1st degreeVerified236 forum posts1320/1000
5 year(s) ago
One of my team mates also had surgery on the lumber for a herniated disc and says rolling actually helps to keep his back feel loose and flexible. But I wonder if it’s the same for injuries to the neck? Only time will tell I suppose. Thank you so much for responding. I appreciate it. May you continue to roll pain and injury free as long as possible. Osss!
L5/S1 for me. Rolling keeps me loose as well. I'm 20 years on from my original diagnosis and my back is as healthy as any other body part (which is a very low bar at this point).

Rehab and baby the injury as much as possible and tap early and often
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
I have the same injury as you as well as herniated discs in my Lumbar spine. Luckily and Unluckily I did have to take time off the Mats after the first of the year but that was mostly due to the COVID-19 Lockdown situation but it was well needed in my case. Prior to the Lockdown I still trained but would occasionally get tingling/numbness in hands and arm when neck was pinched in 'bad' situations. I still get tingling In my hands/arms but nothing like when I first injured it. I do a lot of stretching of my neck. I read your post about Yoga and will definitely say incorporating that will be extremely beneficial however, take not of Christians advice and pay attention to your posture and positioning. I had to modify many techniques/postures for Yoga solely because my head/neck can't be in specific positions. In addition, you can still roll but I would highly recommend letting your training partners know beforehand to be careful with you neck. And in those instances you do get caught up don't be afraid to tap. I am getting ready to get back on the mats after a brief stint away due to a recent relocation. I would also ensure that you work with your Neurosurgeon and let them know of your situation and what the sport means to you. Don't be afraid to talk to them. My new Neurosurgeon had me utilize various conservative methods before even recommending surgery to include injections, RFA, as well as Rehab/Physical Therapy. I would definitely try those before jumping straight into surgery. The best thing you can do is just stay informed and do what works for you. My Neurosurgeon has said that at some point I will have to have surgery as there is probably no way around it but says that following recovery there isn't any reason to NOT get back on the mats and is extremely supportive of my plans to resume training when that time comes. He has only stated that I will most likely have to make modifications to my training plans with regards to takedowns, competitions, etc. Just follow the advice of your Dr. and don't put yourself in a negative mindset. That was honestly the hardest thing for me, when fusion on my neck was initially brought up by another Dr. I felt like it was all over, especially since at that point I had already dealt with the Lumbar herniation for 10 years. The first Dr. told me I wouldn't be able to do anything and I almost believed him till I began reaching out to others that had similar issues and doing my own individual research. My NEW Neurosurgeon is very confident that even with a Disc Replacement as opposed to fusion I will be fine to resume just with limitations as previously stated. Keep the FAITH, RECOVER, and BE SMART with your injuries. Sorry for such a long post just wanted to let you know that you are not alone and give you pointers into what I have done. Take care!
Hi Jeremy, thanks for getting back to me. I really appreciate hearing from people who have been or are going through the same thing. Sounds like your back has taken a beating but I am hopeful given you haven’t had to give up the sport. I will, like you say, listen to medical advice. I am due to see my Neuro in a couple of weeks but I have a feeling he’s going to look at me like I am crazy when I say I do jits and will do anything to get back on the mat.
Thanks for sharing. Take care and stay safe.
Happy New Year from Spain! Osss!
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Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
I have Met and had lot of Bjj practitioners / teammate whit those kind of problems. With the proper treatment (bot surgical and non-surgical) and some adaptations in rolling/training all of them are back on the mat and, in some case, in competition. Be Optimistic about that. (Personally I suffered a lot of vertebrae spondylolistheis and again with the right therapy I m still here hitting the mat)
Thanks Enrico. All positive which is great! Glad to hear despite your disadvantages you are still hitting the mats. You can’t teach heart as they say! Take care and stay safe. Happy New Year. Osss!
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
At 26 I broke the Atlas in my neck and almost died it took ten years to get medical approval to fight.. Came back to Kick box, fight MMA and grapple professionally .. At 55 had a compression fracture of C-4 herniating the disks above and below while diving for a heel hook at a Pro Show. competed a month later (big mistake) took a few months off and rehabbed while still training but working around it and am doing pretty good right now,, Refused surgery on both but I attacked rehab like my life depended on it
Hi Philip,
Oh my goodness this sounds awful. And you don’t need surgery. I hope it all works out for you. I will be interested to know what kind of rehab they will advise. I am still in the rest stage but hope to be getting up and about a bit more after a couple more weeks. Thanks for posting your story. Hearing from others is really helping me keep going and staying positive I still have a future in this sport.
Stay healthy and safe. Happy New Year. Osss!
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
L5/S1 for me. Rolling keeps me loose as well. I'm 20 years on from my original diagnosis and my back is as healthy as any other body part (which is a very low bar at this point). Rehab and baby the injury as much as possible and tap early and often
Hi Sean
Thanks for sharing. So happy you have managed what looks like a 100% recovery. I wonder if there’s any difference between a lumbar hernia and cervical in terms of ability to return to the sport afterwards. I have a friend who underwent surgery for a lumber hernia and like you claims Jits keeps his back more flexible. Only time will tell...
Take care and keep safe.
Happy New Year. Osss!
Francesco Fonte
Francesco Fonte
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified496 forum posts8855/1000
5 year(s) ago
Two severely herniated disks in the neck. It was during my purple belt / mma years. They did put a lot of pressure on the nerves to the point that I experienced tingle or complete lack of sensitivity in thumb, pinky and fourth finger of the left hand, plus several episodes of mild paralysis of the left arm and painful electrical shock travelling from the neck to the left hand. Did tons of reha and treatments but did not help enough.
After a more severe episode of paralysis of the arm I gave up and got surgery, fancy prostethic replacements for the disks, no fusion. Left arm is still affected (triceps partially atrophic and stuff like that) but all in all six months after surgery I could train like never before. Neck mobility is still better than before surgery altough I'm fighting postural problems that might or might not be related.
Long story short, there's life (and jiu-jitsu and training) after surgery. Sure thing though, you'll have to keep an eye on it and don't forget postural exercises and therapy and whatsoever.
Siobhan McDonnell
Siobhan McDonnellOP
Blue beltVerified33 forum posts1355/200
5 year(s) ago
Two severely herniated disks in the neck. It was during my purple belt / mma years. They did put a lot of pressure on the nerves to the point that I experienced tingle or complete lack of sensitivity in thumb, pinky and fourth finger of the left hand, plus several episodes of mild paralysis of the left arm and painful electrical shock travelling from the neck to the left hand. Did tons of reha and treatments but did not help enough. After a more severe episode of paralysis of the arm I gave up and got surgery, fancy prostethic replacements for the disks, no fusion. Left arm is still affected (triceps partially atrophic and stuff like that) but all in all six months after surgery I could train like never before. Neck mobility is still better than before surgery altough I'm fighting postural problems that might or might not be related. Long story short, there's life (and jiu-jitsu and training) after surgery. Sure thing though, you'll have to keep an eye on it and don't forget postural exercises and therapy and whatsoever.
Hi Francesco
Thanks for sharing. Seems like we have very similar symptoms and issues. Surgery hasn’t been ruled out but it’s still early days. I will be led by the Neurosurgeon and take it from there.
Did you have to completely change your game after Surgery? Feels like I will have to start from white all over again. I suppose if you weren’t a guard player before it didn’t really matter but I definitely worked more off of my back.
Anyway, I will have to accept if change is necessary in order to get back on the mats.
Thanks again and take care of your back!
Osss!
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
Two severely herniated disks in the neck. It was during my purple belt / mma years. They did put a lot of pressure on the nerves to the point that I experienced tingle or complete lack of sensitivity in thumb, pinky and fourth finger of the left hand, plus several episodes of mild paralysis of the left arm and painful electrical shock travelling from the neck to the left hand. Did tons of reha and treatments but did not help enough. After a more severe episode of paralysis of the arm I gave up and got surgery, fancy prostethic replacements for the disks, no fusion. Left arm is still affected (triceps partially atrophic and stuff like that) but all in all six months after surgery I could train like never before. Neck mobility is still better than before surgery altough I'm fighting postural problems that might or might not be related. Long story short, there's life (and jiu-jitsu and training) after surgery. Sure thing though, you'll have to keep an eye on it and don't forget postural exercises and therapy and whatsoever.
I have this going on. Now I'm feeling better but it's like hell when it acts up. Many years ago my left arm was super skinny from it. It was very weird. I did not get the surgery and I had a bad relapse in September 2020. been rehabbing it, strengthening and through Covid getting rest for it to recuperate. I have trained since and it's not giving me too much trouble for the time being. Will definitely have to tailor my training to maintain it free from reinjury.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
5 year(s) ago
I train with 2 in my neck, I do traction everyday, I recommend it for all grapplers even if they don't have neck troubles to do neck traction with all the stress we put our necks under with pressure passing, and getting stacked. Maintenance is always the best course.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
I train with 2 in my neck, I do traction everyday, I recommend it for all grapplers even if they don't have neck troubles to do neck traction with all the stress we put our necks under with pressure passing, and getting stacked. Maintenance is always the best course.
Yes! I do this as well. I also use and inversion table to decompress my spine at home. It really helps.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
5 year(s) ago
Yes! I do this as well. I also use and inversion table to decompress my spine at home. It really helps.
Without traction i know I would not be able to train. Also I go to a chiropractor once a month
Brandon Hornby
Brandon Hornby
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified19 forum posts1745/1000
5 year(s) ago
Herniated discs in lower back (14 years ago) and neck (3-4 years ago) here. I am still affected by both on a daily basis. Jiu Jitsu is possible, but you have to redesign your training and life to work around it. Lot of focus on correct posture in everything you do, which in itself is not a bad thing anyway. No more inverted guard, wrestling without a straight back or being stacked in triangles :D
Yes to everything he said! I have a herniated L4 and L5 and a herniated C5 and C6. I have had the lumbar issues for about 6 year and the neck for 2. I have experienced excruciating pain and nerve problems with them when I first injured them. I have yet to have surgery. Only because I’ve heard of great outcomes and horrible outcomes. Your body has an amazing ability to heal itself if you help it. I was told as long as I’m able to function in life without extreme discomfort to try to rehab it before surgery. They say once you open up those nerve endings from surgery they will never be the same. I had to start doing certain yoga poses to help, get regular massages for a while, traction devices helped tremendously, and be mindful of the way I do certain things (especially in the morning). I also get to class plenty early to stretch and warm up those specific injured areas. While I’ve certainly had to adapt my game and certain things I’m simply not able to do anymore, I still am able to train hard and compete. But it did take time to get back there. Keep your head up and know training will still be in your future, it may just be different from how it has been in the past. :-)
Claudio
Claudio
Brown beltVerified44 forum posts1485/700
5 year(s) ago
I have C6-C7 fusion and C3-C5 herniation and 2 herniated disks in my lower back L4-L5.. partial paralysis in my left upper pec, and left Tricep, num e fingers on both hands.. My advice in you jiujitsu practice is to slow everything down, focus on making your movements tighter leaving your neck less exposed .. I'm 51 though so if your young work on strengthening the muscles in your neck. And increase your overall flexibility.. i see yoga in your future

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