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R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
I was reading a post by Philip Dunlap where he mentioned he teaches for free. I find that impressive considering his competition and health history.
Most of the people in the scene that you hear about do not do this as BJJ is their full time job and source of income. Nothing wrong with that and I am not trying to make comparisons. I always wanted to see interviews with instructors who do this. They rarely ever get any recognition but they do great things for people. I'd like to hear more stories like this.

I'll start........

I teach for free and work full time in the construction industry. Was out in the field before now more in the shop and office. (management finally!)
It is what keeps me healthy and sane. I always wanted the full time Jiu Jitsu lifestyle but was afraid to take the risk at the expense of my wife and kids not having the life they were used to. No excuses for my choices. I am a happy person with the situation I am in. Work sucks but my family is happy and do not go without.

Let's here your stories folks.

Don't turn this into a leg lock thread FFS.. Lol
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Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1355 forum posts10295/1000
5 year(s) ago
We are a non-profit gym, all coaches teach for free in their spare time. Including our head coach (and me).

Membership fees are relatively low as a result (a bit more than €500 for 12 months, and we’re in the capital, so other costs are expensive ) but this is not unusual for Finland.

For everybody instructing or working in another (payless) position in the gym, it’s more for the love of the sport/art & the team than anything else. This is how a lot of wrestling/judo/boxing gyms operate, at least in Europe. But very common in BJJ too in Finland, especially in the rural areas.

We are quite a big gym with a lot of good practioners, so I feel lucky to have given the chance & trust to instruct. I’m confident it would benefit most people more than they might guess. I’ve gotten a lot out of it, both jiujitsu-wise as well as life-wise. It has also made appreciate good instructors more; it’s not so easy to run a great class! (Well, after certain amount of experience it will be.)

Last few weeks I’ve been teaching kneebars, about which.... :D

Perks include free training for us, free seminars, and some extra events/stuff sometimes. But like every teacher knows, the joy of it is seeing students taking what you teach and making it their own.

I think having a true professional as a coach, who gets paid for his efforts and can be dedicated to it full-time, definitely has its plusses though.

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Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
5 year(s) ago
We're a for-profit gym that runs the majority of our core classes during non-covid times as "pay-what-you-want". This is my full-time job as well.

I'm convinced that if most main-stream gyms can develop this model, at least for one class per week, they would be able to both increase their revenue as well as serve their communities. A win-win situation for everybody.
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
5 year(s) ago
I was reading a post by Philip Dunlap where he mentioned he teaches for free. I find that impressive considering his competition and health history. Most of the people in the scene that you hear about do not do this as BJJ is their full time job and source of income. Nothing wrong with that and I am not trying to make comparisons. I always wanted to see interviews with instructors who do this. They rarely ever get any recognition but they do great things for people. I'd like to hear more stories like this. I'll start........ I teach for free and work full time in the construction industry. Was out in the field before now more in the shop and office. (management finally!) It is what keeps me healthy and sane. I always wanted the full time Jiu Jitsu lifestyle but was afraid to take the risk at the expense of my wife and kids not having the life they were used to. No excuses for my choices. I am a happy person with the situation I am in. Work sucks but my family is happy and do not go without. Let's here your stories folks. Don't turn this into a leg lock thread FFS.. Lol
David I did not know you also taught for free I am even more impressed now..

I have a number of reasons for doing so.

I remember sitting in a car after the cancer diagnosis and being told I had 6 months left. I had always been very successful in business bit I realized all I had was meaningless.. All that really mattered was my family, my memories and the lives I impact in a positive fashion.. When I got my health back I have focused my life on these 3 things.

I am very fortunate in a run a large Government contract financing business so money is not a big issue and it allows me to teach and train in the way I like. I hate the commercialism in martial arts and try to avoid it as it is not for me. I don't begrudge teachers / school owners the right to make a living in the martial arts many of my best friends who I respect and admire run commercial schools and help others on a daily basis it is just not for me..

Truth be told in the martial arts I have found my perfect balance and I feel I get more out of it this way than I give.. Yes there are sacrifices but the rewards are amazing
Joe_Wick
Joe_wick
Blue beltVerified183 forum posts4080/200
5 year(s) ago
Our gym is pretty interesting, it's almost a co-op situation. We have a very low membership fee and have two black belts that teach for free. They will do privates and get paid for those though. A lot of the long time members have went above and beyond to keep the lights on and the club survivng, Im very proud of what we have.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
5 year(s) ago
David I did not know you also taught for free I am even more impressed now.. I have a number of reasons for doing so. I remember sitting in a car after the cancer diagnosis and being told I had 6 months left. I had always been very successful in business bit I realized all I had was meaningless.. All that really mattered was my family, my memories and the lives I impact in a positive fashion.. When I got my health back I have focused my life on these 3 things. I am very fortunate in a run a large Government contract financing business so money is not a big issue and it allows me to teach and train in the way I like. I hate the commercialism in martial arts and try to avoid it as it is not for me. I don't begrudge teachers / school owners the right to make a living in the martial arts many of my best friends who I respect and admire run commercial schools and help others on a daily basis it is just not for me.. Truth be told in the martial arts I have found my perfect balance and I feel I get more out of it this way than I give.. Yes there are sacrifices but the rewards are amazing
Congratulations on kicking it, and having your health back, testament on the fighter you are, and giving back to the community.
Ben Wynne
Ben Wynne
Black belt 1st degreeVerified291 forum posts4820/1000
5 year(s) ago
I work full time as a primary school teacher and volunteer to teach BJJ on the side.
My gym is for profit as it's the head coach's main business.

I really enjoy teaching kids classes and coaching adults is very rewarding.
Apart from the joy of teaching itself, my head coach has done a lot for me over the years, personally and training wise, so teaching some classes is my way of giving back.
I don't pay fees and he doesn't pay me, but he sends some perks my way every now and then.

At the end of the day, the mats are my happy place and being able to train regularly and help others to find their way feels to me like I've hit a good balance :)

Eric Laporte
Eric Laporte
Black belt 1st degreePending57 forum posts0/1000
5 year(s) ago
David I did not know you also taught for free I am even more impressed now.. I have a number of reasons for doing so. I remember sitting in a car after the cancer diagnosis and being told I had 6 months left. I had always been very successful in business bit I realized all I had was meaningless.. All that really mattered was my family, my memories and the lives I impact in a positive fashion.. When I got my health back I have focused my life on these 3 things. I am very fortunate in a run a large Government contract financing business so money is not a big issue and it allows me to teach and train in the way I like. I hate the commercialism in martial arts and try to avoid it as it is not for me. I don't begrudge teachers / school owners the right to make a living in the martial arts many of my best friends who I respect and admire run commercial schools and help others on a daily basis it is just not for me.. Truth be told in the martial arts I have found my perfect balance and I feel I get more out of it this way than I give.. Yes there are sacrifices but the rewards are amazing
This is a great story. Congrats on winning the war brother!
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4323 forum posts39320/1000
5 year(s) ago
Teaching Jiu Jitsu was a product I was selling for 15 years when I had a commercial gym in Copenhagen. Moving to a small island, I decided to end that and just teach for free. It's been such a relief to not have to "deliver a product" every single class. Now I just teach my friends because I want to and there's no pressure to perform - or even show up - if I don't feel like it. Also, just giving something to the community without expecting anything in return is very satisfying work. Guests always train for free here and I also don't charge for private lessons.
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R. David Gonzalez
R. David GonzalezOP
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5 year(s) ago
Teaching Jiu Jitsu was a product I was selling for 15 years when I had a commercial gym in Copenhagen. Moving to a small island, I decided to end that and just teach for free. It's been such a relief to not have to 'deliver a product' every single class. Now I just teach my friends because I want to and there's no pressure to perform - or even show up - if I don't feel like it. Also, just giving something to the community without expecting anything in return is very satisfying work. Guests always train for free here and I also don't charge for private lessons.
That's awesome!
R. David Gonzalez
R. David GonzalezOP
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
I work full time as a primary school teacher and volunteer to teach BJJ on the side. My gym is for profit as it's the head coach's main business. I really enjoy teaching kids classes and coaching adults is very rewarding. Apart from the joy of teaching itself, my head coach has done a lot for me over the years, personally and training wise, so teaching some classes is my way of giving back. I don't pay fees and he doesn't pay me, but he sends some perks my way every now and then. At the end of the day, the mats are my happy place and being able to train regularly and help others to find their way feels to me like I've hit a good balance :)
Glad your teaching skills are being put to use outside academics. Changing lives in all aspects of your life. Pretty cool
Ray Robles
Ray Robles
Black beltVerified104 forum posts3890/1000
5 year(s) ago
I teach a group of under privileged kids/teens who are in the "system" for free. Pre covid, i'd meet with that group 3 times a week in the afternoons (15-20 kids/teens). that's going to start up again soon. At my gym I don't have a paycheck per se, I earn income through private lessons and off the competition team I put together, coach, manage, but for our regular group classes I don't receive money (I rather it go back into the gym). My "regular job" is going out on tours, music festivals, sporting events as a production manager for pyrotechnics, special FX, and lasers, as well as being an event planner and manager, and musician.
Randy
Randy
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5 year(s) ago
I wish I could say I teach for free. My coach doesn't charge his assistants tuition, but I don't get "paid" to teach. When I instruct at work I'm obviously on the payroll, and when I used to offer an LEO exclusive session once a week, people would always drop $20 a person even though I didn't want anything. I applaud those who offer free training. Jiu-jitsu is such a priceless gift, and has transformative power in peoples' lives -- I know it did in mine.
Drew Brunning
Drew Brunning
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5 year(s) ago
I think I technically teach for free, but it could be argued that I teach in exchange for free training. All the coaches at Foundations volunteer their time (to the best of my knowledge), so while I'm not paid for the classes I cover, I do get to attend the classes Matt, Mike, and/or Arun teach. Because we're all volunteers and the club is run more like a traditional judo club we're able to charge the same amount per month as the judo club we share the community center space with. The combination of location and cost mean we get a lot of college students and it's my understanding that for a lot of folks we end up being the only option they could afford so we're able to offer BJJ to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to train due to finances.
Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1355 forum posts10295/1000
5 year(s) ago
I think I technically teach for free, but it could be argued that I teach in exchange for free training. All the coaches at Foundations volunteer their time (to the best of my knowledge), so while I'm not paid for the classes I cover, I do get to attend the classes Matt, Mike, and/or Arun teach.
IMO this for sure is teaching fo free, as you don't get paid.

Having volunteer instructors pay full tuition & have them teach classes without compensation would be assholism.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David GonzalezOP
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5 year(s) ago
Having volunteer instructors pay full tuition & have them teach classes without compensation would be assholism.
This actually happened to me a long time ago. Water under the bridge now but back then when I asked why I was teaching and paying more tuition than everyone else I was labelled a traitor. Glad it's in the past.
Tyler McKeag
Tyler McKeag
Black belt 1st degreeVerified35 forum posts1560/1000
5 year(s) ago
I work full time, I have been teaching for free since I started. I also do all the graphic design for clothing, posters, flags, gi's, etc, I built and manage the website, I designed, coded, and implemented a student tracking program, I also sell memberships and taught some sales techniques I learned from door to door sales in my youth. I also help with major clean ups and construction and I do all of this for free.

One, because my coach was just starting out when I came along and I wanted to help him and the gym be successful. We are friends now and I want to help him and he helps me when I need it.

Two because BJJ is my passion, my release and keeps me sane. As soon as I receive money for it, I become obligated, I owe someone something. I don't want to turn my passion into an obligation. I don't want to be forced into anything or have conditions attached to my training.

I don't owe the owner/my coach anything and he doesn't owe me anything, any help we give eachother is out of mutual respect and friendship not obligation.

I also volunteer and teach multiple federal, provincial and city organizations that could benefit from BJJ but can't get funding. I've been doing this since 2014
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Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
5 year(s) ago
IMO this for sure is teaching fo free, as you don't get paid. Having volunteer instructors pay full tuition & have them teach classes without compensation would be assholism.
I have always found this to be screwed up..

I always tell people they OWE me nothing for what I do and that if they want to repay me than pay it forward and help others
Garry Hashman
Garry Hashman
Black beltVerified16 forum posts2960/1000
5 year(s) ago
I have a day job working with adults with various abilities. The rest of my time I own and operate Bobcat MMA in The Plains, Ohio. We are for profit, however I will never turn away someone because they couldn't afford it. I don't lose anything if they aren't going to come anyway. I usually just ask people to pay what they can.

I used to teach at a low income housing apartment complex where I had about a dozen kid in class and charged nothing, but covid shut down the space we used.

In the future I hope for it to be free for all children. I just want to keep the lights on and teach.
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
5 year(s) ago
I teach for free at our non-profit organisation. I still do privates and personal coaching and personal training/programming. But I'm never going back to a half-ass commercial gym. I'd rather start my own.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
5 year(s) ago
We are a non-profit.
To offer the people who are helping, be it teaching or otherwise (marketing, admin stuff), free tuition is the LEAST a club can do. We also add there free equipment/gear and competition and camp fees.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
5 year(s) ago
We're a for-profit gym that runs the majority of our core classes during non-covid times as 'pay-what-you-want'. This is my full-time job as well. I'm convinced that if most main-stream gyms can develop this model, at least for one class per week, they would be able to both increase their revenue as well as serve their communities. A win-win situation for everybody.
That's an interesting concept. Teaching BJJ is my only income, but I try to keep the prices as low as possible (£40 a month for unlimited, £25 for once a week, with about 80 classes available a month, I think, in normal times). I like the idea of a 'pay-what-you-want' model.

Testing it out by having one class a week with that model would be a good experiment. Or maybe a beginner course? Something I can plan for whenever it's safe to train normally again in England, that would be a nice way to tempt people in while also doing something for the community (especially as I'm sure a lot of people who might otherwise train will be struggling to justify extra costs post-covid).
William Murphy
William Murphy
Black belt 5th degreeVerified2143 forum posts25730/1000
5 year(s) ago
Before COVID19, I had taught for free for a decade and half.
I am a full time university professor with a consulting business, so I have other income sources.
I have helped start several commercial, and several non-profit, grapple fu gyms.
Both models have their merits.
I have a network of black belts that are or were my students, and quite a few of them have their own schools.
I am glad to be on the mats, or was, before COVID19.
And I hope, and will be glad to be on them again.
I have found the less important I make myself, the more everyone else shines.
The past year, I only have been giving my kids some drill pointers on our home mats, and giving advice from a social distance, because of COVID19.
However, once again, I do hope to be on the mats again, soon, now that vaccines are being deployed.
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