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Black bet before 18 years of age!

5 year(s) ago • 6691 views • 39 replies

Felipe Grez
Felipe Grez
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified120 forum posts3110/1000
5 year(s) ago
Not that I am aware... This kid is an absolute phenom and even though the IBJJF may not approve, I believe his instructor knows where his level is at better than they do.
Wayne Johnson
Wayne Johnson
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified231 forum posts6820/1000
5 year(s) ago
Age is defined by IBJJF by the year born, not the date. So he probably turns 18 this year :)
Except IBJJF require you to be 19 to achieve Black Belt
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1271 forum posts12800/1000
5 year(s) ago
My Aunty Janice always reminds me that my little cousin Susie got her karate black belt when she was 9. Take that, Mica!
Ryan Gabey
Ryan Gabey
Black belt 1st degreeVerified184 forum posts5925/1000
5 year(s) ago
I don't think anyone who has researched this kid will question his skills. He is undoubtedly a phenom with incredible skill, talent, and dedication. I believe some people are concerned with whether he can handle the inevitable responsibility that often goes along with the black belt. It's no secret that black belts are looked at as an authority figure in the gym. New students will look to him for guidance, maybe even mentorship. Also as a black belt you have the credibility to teach or run a school. Is a 17 year old ready for that?

On a second note, this could have unintended consequences in the future if this becomes a trend. Mica may be extraordinarily talented, but your average teenager is not, but this promotion could be used as an excuse for crappy gyms to advertise fast promotions and even kid black belts. It's a slippery slope honestly.....
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4321 forum posts39320/1000
5 year(s) ago
Except IBJJF require you to be 19 to achieve Black Belt
Ah my mistake! I was just thinking about the year born vs. age thing; black belt promotions at that age has never really been relevant for me :D
Ray Robles
Ray Robles
Black beltVerified104 forum posts3890/1000
5 year(s) ago
I do feel that the IBJJF based on their standards will have to evaluate the promotion ages at some point.... when it was founded, they were trying to keep to the standards that the Gracies (all of them) adhered to in promotions (Black belt wasn't about just skill and knowledge, but also ability to teach and laughably merit of character that a younger kid wasn't really in possession of). Nowadays, you have kids who have been training longer than most adults, on top of it, also train and compete more than the adults (I've got guys turning 18 who have been training with me since they were 6 years old). If an adult trained for 12 years, they would for sure be promoted to black belt (and most will train 2-3 days a week, not the 5-6 days most kids/teens do). Mica's quality of record speaks volumes, as does Nicky Ryan, Grace Gundrum, hell the Ruotolo Brothers too, Cole Abate.... these young kids who are tapping adults regularly.

My solution is that maybe (to the behest of probably a bunch of adults who complain about all things IBJJF/Gracie), they should make the black belt with the white patch a standard in the ranking system like they do in the Gracie Academy, and with Royce, Caique's and even (eye roll) the Valente's. The Black Belt fighter, with the Red Bar being the Black Belt Instructor, and the White Bars on the Red patch as a Black belt Professor (with the subsequent degrees). This was those younger guys with legit black belt skills can receive their rankings, but still have to grow into the instructor/professor role.... Just a thought.
Shawn Carn
Shawn Carn
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified195 forum posts2885/1000
5 year(s) ago
Age is defined by IBJJF by the year born, not the date. So he probably turns 18 this year :)
Because at the age of 19 (18) your are leagally able to be held liable for Anything.
Sean Brandle
Sean Brandle
Black belt 1st degreeVerified236 forum posts1320/1000
5 year(s) ago
I do feel that the IBJJF based on their standards will have to evaluate the promotion ages at some point.... when it was founded, they were trying to keep to the standards that the Gracies (all of them) adhered to in promotions (Black belt wasn't about just skill and knowledge, but also ability to teach and laughably merit of character that a younger kid wasn't really in possession of). Nowadays, you have kids who have been training longer than most adults, on top of it, also train and compete more than the adults (I've got guys turning 18 who have been training with me since they were 6 years old). If an adult trained for 12 years, they would for sure be promoted to black belt (and most will train 2-3 days a week, not the 5-6 days most kids/teens do). Mica's quality of record speaks volumes, as does Nicky Ryan, Grace Gundrum, hell the Ruotolo Brothers too, Cole Abate.... these young kids who are tapping adults regularly. My solution is that maybe (to the behest of probably a bunch of adults who complain about all things IBJJF/Gracie), they should make the black belt with the white patch a standard in the ranking system like they do in the Gracie Academy, and with Royce, Caique's and even (eye roll) the Valente's. The Black Belt fighter, with the Red Bar being the Black Belt Instructor, and the White Bars on the Red patch as a Black belt Professor (with the subsequent degrees). This was those younger guys with legit black belt skills can receive their rankings, but still have to grow into the instructor/professor role.... Just a thought.
This is the answer. I like the idea of an age requirement, but it screws kids that can compete at the highest level. A black belt for competing purposes is a great idea.
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1271 forum posts12800/1000
5 year(s) ago
...they should make the black belt with the white patch a standard in the ranking system like they do in the Gracie Academy, and with Royce, Caique's and even (eye roll) the Valente's. The Black Belt fighter, with the Red Bar being the Black Belt Instructor, and the White Bars on the Red patch as a Black belt Professor (with the subsequent degrees). This was those younger guys with legit black belt skills can receive their rankings, but still have to grow into the instructor/professor role.... Just a thought.
I like this idea a lot, at least as it applies to age requirements. Seems like the next step would be to establish a standard criteria in regards to skill, lest the mcdojos of the world start promoting 6yr olds. And then the next step after that is super easy: GET EVERYBODY TO AGREE TO THE SAME STANDARDS!

lol.

Here's the question that matters for real though: Would you vote for Mica Galvao on beltchecker?
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1271 forum posts12800/1000
5 year(s) ago
The standard is 19 years old.
Obviously not everyone is adhering to this standard.

So... Would you vouch for him on beltchecker?
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
5 year(s) ago
Obviously not everyone is adhering to this standard. So... Would you vouch for him on beltchecker?
I would... If I got my arse kicked by him first at a Globetrotters camp ;)
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
5 year(s) ago
Not a good sign for the sport.
Yep, slippery slope. There are clearly 17 year olds who are equally skilled as black belts, but as soon as you start dropping that age requirement, you're stepping onto the path to kiddy black belts. I'm sure those 17 year olds can wait a year.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
Obviously not everyone is adhering to this standard. So... Would you vouch for him on beltchecker?
No. We are under the IBJJF and we use their guidelines for Gi related training which are very clear.

No Black Belt until 19. I have ZERO issue with this guideline. Why would you not prefer to be the best brown belt in the world for another 2 years than wear a Black Belt 1000s of people won't recognize? Terrible idea for the coach to do that to him, in my opinion. Regardless of his skill level.

Ben Shaw
Ben Shaw
Black belt 1st degreeVerified61 forum posts1460/1000
5 year(s) ago
I do think it's weird to give a kid a black belt...that's part of what really distinguishes BJJ from other martial arts. Having said that, I have no doubt in my mind this kid would work me in a competitive roll.

I do think that the 19 year old minimum has to do with maturity, both physical and mental. Not to say that a 19 year old is fully grown, but they are on average more grown than someone below that age. I don't think ability to teach should be a requirement- competitive black belts shouldn't be expected to teach and if that's not their path in life that's fine. Conversely, how many people have started bjj being taught by someone who wasn't a black belt? I certainly started that way (first instructor was a purple belt).
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
5 year(s) ago
Yeah my first coaches were blue belts and when they got their purples it was amazing.

19 isn't mature. If that was the reason for the age requirement, that's just bullsh!t. Hell, I can soon compete in master 2 and I still haven't matured. The year you turn 18 is a fine time to be promoted to black belt imo.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
Yeah my first coaches were blue belts and when they got their purples it was amazing. 19 isn't mature. If that was the reason for the age requirement, that's just bullsh!t. Hell, I can soon compete in master 2 and I still haven't matured. The year you turn 18 is a fine time to be promoted to black belt imo.
I don't pretend to know, or care, why the age restriction is 19. All I know is, it's 19 under IBJJF. So then anyone belted under that age does not have to be recognized as a Black Belt if they choose. Regardless of their skill, maturity, or whatever. We can discuss all day what constitutes maturity (I don't think it's your age, personally) but in the end, it's irrelevant.

Same as the United States decided no drinking alcohol until 21. Why is it like that? Doesn't matter. It is.

Timothy Locke
Timothy Locke
Black belt 1st degreeVerified9 forum posts1605/1000
5 year(s) ago
I’m curious to see if the IBJJF allows him to compete (if he hasn’t already). My guess is that they will because of his accomplishments.

Personally, I look at Black Belt as Time Invested and Skill. According to Bjj Heroes, he has been doing Bjj since 4, and he has already proved his skill at the highest levels. He meets my personal litmus test.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
I’m curious to see if the IBJJF allows him to compete (if he hasn’t already). My guess is that they will because of his accomplishments. Personally, I look at Black Belt as Time Invested and Skill. According to Bjj Heroes, he has been doing Bjj since 4, and he has already proved his skill at the highest levels. He meets my personal litmus test.
Lots of people have been doing since they were 4. If the IBJJF allows him to compete that would be a travesty of them following their own rules (I know, I know...like that's surprising).
Timothy Locke
Timothy Locke
Black belt 1st degreeVerified9 forum posts1605/1000
5 year(s) ago
Lots of people have been doing since they were 4.
That’s interesting because in NH, we have just started to see a very small group of high level teenagers and competitors in their early twenties, who started in kids programs. I have competed against one multiple times, and he was quite impressive. However, they are pretty rare.

It isn’t normative in NH yet for people in the sport to start that young. Most of the community here started in their twenties or older. However, my kids both started officially at 4. But with the kids programs, we have seen a lot of kids stop unfortunately due to other hobbies or lack of interest.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
That’s interesting because in NH, we have just started to see a very small group of high level teenagers and competitors in their early twenties, who started in kids programs. I have competed against one multiple times, and he was quite impressive. However, they are pretty rare. It isn’t normative in NH yet for people in the sport to start that young. Most of the community here started in their twenties or older. However, my kids both started officially at 4. But with the kids programs, we have seen a lot of kids stop unfortunately due to other hobbies or lack of interest.
Lots of kids in Brazil started when they were 4. And you are starting to see American BJJ competitors at the adult level that started at that age as well. But mostly I was referring to Brazil.
Jimmy Tang
Jimmy Tang
Black belt 1st degreeVerified43 forum posts4035/1000
5 year(s) ago
I've trained with him, he's good. I think he was 14 or 15 at the time and was about my size (featherweight). Kid is a phenom and his skill level is definitely there. Long ago I've always heard from John Machado that the age was 19 due to the Gracie's feeling like that would be the minimum age to properly defend that black belt. I lean towards his ability to defend the belt.

I don't think IBJJF will let him compete. There's a few instances of them blocking black belts - the Miyaos and Domnique Obelenyte were not allowed to compete at black belt until they had the minimum time at brown belt.
Jon
Jon
Purple beltVerified89 forum posts1345/400
5 year(s) ago
I don't understand all this talk of maturity. Having a Black Belt in BJJ only signifies that you are good at BJJ. You could be a total douchebag and still be a black belt in BJJ, so maturity isn't even an argument. That being said, if a ten year old can perform as a black belt on the mat, he's a black belt. Unfortunately, being a black belt means you can actually tap other black belts who are not children, which is likely impossible for a ten year old, but look at this kid. He's as developed as a full grown man, so if he has the skills how can you argue about it.

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