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Wrestling & Jiu-Jitsu?
5 year(s) ago • 2190 views • 21 replies
JPBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
How much wrestling do include in you game? If you don't why not? Personally, I feel it's super important to include wrestling in your game. There are many concepts in wrestling that greatly improves Jiu-Jitsu and many concepts that corrects jiu-jitsu!
DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
A lot but nothing official or formal. We don't have a strong wrestling base in Canada so most of what I know I got online, from seminars, and mma based wrestling. Sadly it is still primarily for takedowns or helping in sweeps from half guard coming up to single leg. Wrestling for the purposes of control, escapes and scrambles is lacking however.
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RBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I definitely incorporate some wrestling into my jiu-jitsu, and our academy does as a whole. We had an all-american wrestler that used to coach here before he moved on, and still have a number of students that have impressive backgrounds in wrestling as well. I agree, wrestling and jiu-jitsu complement each other very well.
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I think it's very necessary and although I don't have a formal orthodox wrestling training I've done some training with freestyle wrestlers and have supplemented my knowledge lately via DVDs and online
JLBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wrestling is super important! I did it in high school for a couple years and have been using it ever since!
No disrespect intended to Deepu but I disagree re his opinion on wrestling in Canada. Plenty of quality programs at all levels from coast to coast...just maybe not as well promoted as other places.
No disrespect intended to Deepu but I disagree re his opinion on wrestling in Canada. Plenty of quality programs at all levels from coast to coast...just maybe not as well promoted as other places.
DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wrestling is super important! I did it in high school for a couple years and have been using it ever since! No disrespect intended to Deepu but I disagree re his opinion on wrestling in Canada. Plenty of quality programs at all levels from coast to coast...just maybe not as well promoted as other places.
None taken. You are right, there are programs out there. It's more that there aren't that many students that come to bjj with strong wrestling backgrounds. In the last 20 plus years, I can count on one hand how many there were. That makes a big difference as you pick up tricks from your training partners all the time.
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JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wrestling is super important! I did it in high school for a couple years and have been using it ever since! No disrespect intended to Deepu but I disagree re his opinion on wrestling in Canada. Plenty of quality programs at all levels from coast to coast...just maybe not as well promoted as other places.
Canada isn't exactly known as a powerhouse for wrestling. Especially when compared to the US. Canada has a total of 17 Olympic medals in freestyle wrestling. The United States has 133.
The Yamasaki family has a rich Judo and wrestling background. At my gym, we had a USA Wrestling Olympic Training Center wrestling coach (and BJJ Brown Belt) on the team named Bryon Bruce who brought the highest level of wrestling to the team. We do a LOT of wrestling. We do nothing but wrestling in November (No-Gi November) and for our Kids program we do it through December as well as the school wrestling programs start in January and we encourage the parents to get them onto the school team. The style of Judo we teach is Freestyle Judo as it still allows the leg attacks as opposed to Olympic Judo which does not.
We do wrestling to learn wrestling. Not just to supplement our BJJ. We want to be complete grapplers which means being able to hang with good wrestlers. That's the example set by my coaches, Fernando Yamasaki and Francisco Neto, and it's important to me to try to represent that as best as possible at my gym. Which isn't easy as I didn't wrestling in school.
The Yamasaki family has a rich Judo and wrestling background. At my gym, we had a USA Wrestling Olympic Training Center wrestling coach (and BJJ Brown Belt) on the team named Bryon Bruce who brought the highest level of wrestling to the team. We do a LOT of wrestling. We do nothing but wrestling in November (No-Gi November) and for our Kids program we do it through December as well as the school wrestling programs start in January and we encourage the parents to get them onto the school team. The style of Judo we teach is Freestyle Judo as it still allows the leg attacks as opposed to Olympic Judo which does not.
We do wrestling to learn wrestling. Not just to supplement our BJJ. We want to be complete grapplers which means being able to hang with good wrestlers. That's the example set by my coaches, Fernando Yamasaki and Francisco Neto, and it's important to me to try to represent that as best as possible at my gym. Which isn't easy as I didn't wrestling in school.
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I love wrestling but did not do it in my youth and regret it. Now I’m trying to catch up and I’m getting better but at age 38 my window has closed. I think it’s a necessity to integrate wrestling into everyone’s grappling game. Wrestling as a sport itself is awesome
GGBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wrestling was my life in my younger years. I wrestled competitively for over 10 years, the grind and relentless pressure I learned from it, has always been a part of my game regardless if it is Bjj, Sambo, mma or Judo. The concepts are universal to all ruleset. Just have to change strategies to the ruleset one is fighting to.
SBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Why to include techniques from other sports/arts? Isn't Jiu Jitsu already a comple martial arts including all aspects of takedowns, submission and control... There are already thousands of techniques to learn from JJ itself :)
JLBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Why to include techniques from other sports/arts? Isn't Jiu Jitsu already a comple martial arts including all aspects of takedowns, submission and control... There are already thousands of techniques to learn from JJ itself :)
It’s not necessarily “to include techniques from other sports…” but rather the experience of training with/against quality grapplers regardless of style/rule set.
DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Why to include techniques from other sports/arts? Isn't Jiu Jitsu already a comple martial arts including all aspects of takedowns, submission and control... There are already thousands of techniques to learn from JJ itself :)
No such thing as a complete martial art. Martial arts like Jiu Jitsu are tested out in sparring and in competitions and should thus be dynamic and evolve based on feedback. Techniques should be absorbed and optimized all the time ... otherwise it turns into your classic traditional martial art with no sparring and katas which are to put it lightly, bullshit.
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
No such thing as a complete martial art. Martial arts like Jiu Jitsu are tested out in sparring and in competitions and should thus be dynamic and evolve based on feedback. Techniques should be absorbed and optimized all the time ... otherwise it turns into your classic traditional martial art with no sparring and katas which are to put it lightly, bullshit.
Wrong. Ameridote in fact, is a complete way of life. Always restomp the groin
DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wrong. Ameridote in fact, is a complete way of life. Always restomp the groin
Damn it, forgot about Master Ken.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Why to include techniques from other sports/arts? Isn't Jiu Jitsu already a comple martial arts including all aspects of takedowns, submission and control... There are already thousands of techniques to learn from JJ itself :)
Nope. And nope.
JPBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Why to include techniques from other sports/arts? Isn't Jiu Jitsu already a comple martial arts including all aspects of takedowns, submission and control... There are already thousands of techniques to learn from JJ itself :)
Because Jiu-Jitsu is very inferior in some respects to other grappling systems such as wrestling. There are many concepts, technical movements, and positions that correct Jiu-Jitsu to make Jiu-Jitsu better and more effective.
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Isn't Jiu Jitsu already a comple martial arts including all aspects of takedowns, submission and control... There are already thousands of techniques to learn from JJ itself :)
Takedowns are the specialties of wrestlers and judoka
Submissions, BJJ are the specialists
Control... most grappling arts share this as a common skills, along with most governments
1000's of techniques? Most of BJJ have been strongly inspired by judo, wrestling so learning some of the JJ techniques can be considered 2nd hand info - such as the double leg, single leg takedowns, etc., most jacket based throws...
As much as I dislike comparing, but if you look at some European based JJ which includes strikes and traditional weapons, you can make you own conclusions from that evidence.
Submissions, BJJ are the specialists
Control... most grappling arts share this as a common skills, along with most governments
1000's of techniques? Most of BJJ have been strongly inspired by judo, wrestling so learning some of the JJ techniques can be considered 2nd hand info - such as the double leg, single leg takedowns, etc., most jacket based throws...
As much as I dislike comparing, but if you look at some European based JJ which includes strikes and traditional weapons, you can make you own conclusions from that evidence.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Takedowns are the specialties of wrestlers and judoka Submissions, BJJ are the specialists Control... most grappling arts share this as a common skills, along with most governments 1000's of techniques? Most of BJJ have been strongly inspired by judo, wrestling so learning some of the JJ techniques can be considered 2nd hand info - such as the double leg, single leg takedowns, etc., most jacket based throws... As much as I dislike comparing, but if you look at some European based JJ which includes strikes and traditional weapons, you can make you own conclusions from that evidence.
100% accurate, BJJ is not a complete martial art. Gracie JJ is even LESS of a complete martial art.
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
100% accurate, BJJ is not a complete martial art. Gracie JJ is even LESS of a complete martial art.
Is there a complete martial art? Is it even possible to learn all in one lifetime?
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HSBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wrestling is a great skill to have to mix in with BJJ, especially depending on your personal attributes or game type. I am a behemoth by most people's standards, and I use alot of wrestling and wrestling control in my game which as you may expect is top pressure and control. The school I attended also incorporates catch wrestling and submission arts wrestling in the no-gi classes. It helps seeing different things and learning to incorporate different things. They all compliment each other.
The instructor terms our gym style as hybrid grappling. We have dedicated BJJ gi class, but also mix in the Catch and SAW techniques.
The instructor terms our gym style as hybrid grappling. We have dedicated BJJ gi class, but also mix in the Catch and SAW techniques.
PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
As a former Burmese Boxer who made his living in the clinch I prefer Judo / Sambo style take downs personally do teach and encourage wrestling style takedowns
JWPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wrestling take downs are huge if you want to be a competitor. Get the takedown and already up by two points!
