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Riccardo Siliato
Riccardo Siliato
Brown beltVerified7 forum posts3695/700
4 year(s) ago
Hi to everyone
I'm thinking about opening a gym. I whould like some suggestions on mistake to avoid and priority focus.

Thanks in advance for any of you that will share some advice.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
4 year(s) ago
It's very different in Europe vs US and even in Europe different places.

In Germany I'd say is there e.g. a local judo matspace you could start on with all the facilities running classes 3-5 times per week? I'd recommend that start over a garage gym start.
Josh Vogel
Josh Vogel
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified65 forum posts3980/1000
4 year(s) ago
Always prioritize your students improvement, experience at the gym and safety. Never forget who brought you to the dance.

I’ve seen a lot of gym owners over the years fall in love with themselves, or overemphasize the competition superstars in their gyms and forget that the day to day students are the ones paying the bills, keeping the gym open and maintaining the gym culture. These are the people taking time, energy and money away from themselves, their families and work to be at your gym. Respect and do right by them and you will avoid a lot of the domino effect problems that happen over the years that happen when your focus is elsewhere.

Also, focus on creating high quality services and do a reasonable job marketing and you will stand out. Bjj, martial arts and the fitness industry is rife with an imbalance between quality and marketing (in both directions.). If you do a great job then you can market with integrity and word will spread.

Good luck, I hope that helps some!
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
4 year(s) ago
It's very different in Europe vs US and even in Europe different places. In Germany I'd say is there e.g. a local judo matspace you could start on with all the facilities running classes 3-5 times per week? I'd recommend that start over a garage gym start.
This. If there's a cheap way to utilize an existing mat space, use it. If you do decide to go that route, make sure you get good time slots for your classes. If you end up opening your own space you might want to have another martial art along the grappling, just to share the running expenses.

I was looking into this before the pandemic, but even a public gym was way too expensive. And the training slots needed to be reserved almost a year in advance, so that was a bust. I also don't like being tide to the schedules of public facilities. So, gotta get a space of my own, somehow.
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
4 year(s) ago
I don't own a gym, but I do lead a few classes at a friend's gym and sometimes sub for the other coaches when they're sick, and here are few things I've noticed that students very much appreciate.

1 - Plan your classes. A lot of people walk in and just do whatever comes to their mind. Students really react well when they see you've put thought into what they're doing and how it all goes together.

2 - Morning classes! A lot of people are busy and have families and have trouble finding time in the evenings to train. They are very happy that I'm doing classes in the morning they can participate in. I'm honestly surprised how many people are getting up at 7:00 on a Sunday morning for training.

3 - Having a theme to explore over a longer period of time helps people find there feet. For example, spending about a month or two with Triangles, different triangle variations and entries, and then submission escapes. I've had a lot of people, even people much higher ranked than myself compliment how much they enjoy this style of instruction and actively make a point to join my classes.

4 - Warm up with BJJ. People who have jobs and families don't have as much free time as they would like. If they're coming to a BJJ class, they want to do BJJ. They can do push-ups and sit-ups at home. They aren't there for strength training or to play football. If they wanted that, they'd go to a gym or join a football club. My coach started leaving out the calisthenics drills in warmups and we just do BJJ drills instead, and his group got very popular. So much so, he actually had to stop taking new students because he ran out of space.

Okay, I'm done. Sorry for going so long here.
Brad Neumyer
Brad Neumyer
Purple beltVerified128 forum posts1515/400
4 year(s) ago
I’ve seen a lot of gym owners over the years fall in love with themselves...
My old coach is a case in point here. Much happier in my new spot.
James Jones
James Jones
Black beltVerified1310 forum posts6475/1000
4 year(s) ago
4 - Warm up with BJJ. People who have jobs and families don't have as much free time as they would like. If they're coming to a BJJ class, they want to do BJJ. They can do push-ups and sit-ups at home. They aren't there for strength training or to play football. If they wanted that, they'd go to a gym or join a football club. My coach started leaving out the calisthenics drills in warmups and we just do BJJ drills instead.
Best comment.
John Bearce
John Bearce
Black belt 1st degreeVerified35 forum posts1810/1000
4 year(s) ago
I just opened up my own spot 7 months ago and it is going well. If you are thinking about it now, start drumming up interest now and build a contact base of people you can get in the door on day 1. Chances are if you have 10 people telling you, "do it man! ill be your first student." About 1 or 2 of them will actually show up and less than half of that will stick after a few months unless they already do bjj. So try and really remember and build a lot of contacts from your past

I think building a gym is a lot about community if you start with too many classes you may end up spreading the community too thin and it will have trouble conglomerating.
I still work a day job and only teach at night but I am close to taking my gym full time, at which point I will be starting day classes. To make a bjj gym work you will almost definitely have to teach kids and paying someone to do that will cut your margin really quickly and a lot of adult students in my gym are actually parents I drafted from the kids classes, so i would suggest teaching it yourself.

Write down every lesson you teach.
I would go with zebra mats or 3rd Coast Mats (find them on FB) over FUJI, feel free to DM me if you want to know why.

Check the insta link on my beltchecker profile to see my gym here in Jacksonville and see the progress so far!

Hope any of this helped, it was kind of just a "stream of consciousness" reply

All the best,

-John
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Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
4 year(s) ago
Oh yeah, mats sre really expensive. Gracies have a great video on obtaining mats for cheap.
I bought 200 m2 mats for 2500 euros 4 years ago... Granted they were 20 years old judo tatami but it was a start!
Josh Vogel
Josh Vogel
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified65 forum posts3980/1000
4 year(s) ago
I just opened up my own spot 7 months ago and it is going well. If you are thinking about it now, start drumming up interest now and build a contact base of people you can get in the door on day 1. Chances are if you have 10 people telling you, 'do it man! ill be your first student.' About 1 or 2 of them will actually show up and less than half of that will stick after a few months unless they already do bjj. So try and really remember and build a lot of contacts from your past I think building a gym is a lot about community if you start with too many classes you may end up spreading the community too thin and it will have trouble conglomerating. I still work a day job and only teach at night but I am close to taking my gym full time, at which point I will be starting day classes. To make a bjj gym work you will almost definitely have to teach kids and paying someone to do that will cut your margin really quickly and a lot of adult students in my gym are actually parents I drafted from the kids classes, so i would suggest teaching it yourself. Write down every lesson you teach. I would go with zebra mats or 3rd Coast Mats (find them on FB) over FUJI, feel free to DM me if you want to know why. Check the insta link on my beltchecker profile to see my gym here in Jacksonville and see the progress so far! Hope any of this helped, it was kind of just a 'stream of consciousness' reply All the best, -John
Congratulations on opening your gym! Agreed on the Zebra mats. Costly, but well worth it. Mine stay grippy when wet without excessive mat burn. More productive training time and fewer injuries!
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
4 year(s) ago
I bought 200 m2 mats for 2500 euros 4 years ago... Granted they were 20 years old judo tatami but it was a start!
Holy crap that was a good deal! I paid just over 500 for 18 m2 puzzle mats, which was already a good deal. If I'd open my own space I would find something even cheaper.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
4 year(s) ago
I frickin' hate puzzle mats :) Stubbed my toes so many times. Anyway, yes, quality newmats in general are about 50 euros per square meter. I think to buy 20 year old mats for 1/4th the price is reasonable :D Good deal, yes but reasonable :)

Anyway, this is my 289 m2 space now (17x17 m that's 3110 square feet for you backwards folks ;) )

About a third of it is new, third of it is 10 years old and third is 20 years old.
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
4 year(s) ago
Always prioritize your students improvement, experience at the gym and safety. Never forget who brought you to the dance. I’ve seen a lot of gym owners over the years fall in love with themselves, or overemphasize the competition superstars in their gyms and forget that the day to day students are the ones paying the bills, keeping the gym open and maintaining the gym culture. These are the people taking time, energy and money away from themselves, their families and work to be at your gym. Respect and do right by them and you will avoid a lot of the domino effect problems that happen over the years that happen when your focus is elsewhere. Also, focus on creating high quality services and do a reasonable job marketing and you will stand out. Bjj, martial arts and the fitness industry is rife with an imbalance between quality and marketing (in both directions.). If you do a great job then you can market with integrity and word will spread. Good luck, I hope that helps some!
Hey I love myself


Seriously before opening the school sit down and take stock thinking what do I want from teaching. If you are not enjoying it the whole thing becomes just another job.

Why are you opening a school? What problems does it cause for you? What problems does it solve? What type of environment do you want
Erico Bueno
Erico Bueno
Black belt 1st degreeVerified21 forum posts1720/1000
4 year(s) ago
My 10 tips list for open a new gym:
1. Localization. Close by schools or in the Main Street will help.
2. Create an environment clean that people feel compelled to train with you.
3. Create a culture of friendship and trust each other. This is the most difficult thing in my opinion.
4. Study the market. Are other academies around? How you gonna differentiate you from others? What is the average ticket? How many students you need to pay your bills?
5. Invest part of your budget in social media and your website
6. Focus on teaching kids. Prepare yourself to work with the small ones.
7. Create a safe environment to learn Jiu Jitsu instead to promote only competition
8. Never get too much personal involved with students. Keep if possible parents outside dojo.
9. Sell everything you can like backpacks, hats, shirts, mouth guard with your brand. This will help your finances and will promote your brand.
10. If you do not feel confident to start alone, call a partner or think about to become part of a franchise.
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4323 forum posts39320/1000
4 year(s) ago
8. Never get too much personal involved with students.
I always found this weird. Why wouldn't you? I have always been friends with many, many, many of the people who trained with me and it's never been a problem in any way. Quite the contrary, I think it's only been positive, both for social and business reasons.
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
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4 year(s) ago
9. Sell everything you can [...] with your brand.
This could be off-putting for many members. I know that it would annoy me a lot as a member if I was constantly pushed mouthguards, coffee mugs, hoodies, mouse pads and keyrings etc. like I see it being done some place.
Erico Bueno
Erico Bueno
Black belt 1st degreeVerified21 forum posts1720/1000
4 year(s) ago
I always found this weird. Why wouldn't you? I have always been friends with many, many, many of the people who trained with me and it's never been a problem in any way. Quite the contrary, I think it's only been positive, both for social and business reasons.
The problem is within the "too much". I think keep some distance is also positive. I'm Brazilian and we are naturally too close each other. The key is to find some equilibrium.
Erico Bueno
Erico Bueno
Black belt 1st degreeVerified21 forum posts1720/1000
4 year(s) ago
This could be off-putting for many members. I know that it would annoy me a lot as a member if I was constantly pushed mouthguards, coffee mugs, hoodies, mouse pads and keyrings etc. like I see it being done some place.
I agree. This used to annoy me too when I was pushed to buy something that I did not need or wanted. However, if you have products in your school people are free to buy or not. Not necessary everything with your brand but offer products that naturally students may want. I would love train in a gym and get an "açai" after a hard training (is delicious and health too). Or buy a T-shirt of the school if I liked it.
Specially who is starting a new Dojo I think this will help to pay the bills. OSS!
Andrew Thistle
Andrew Thistle
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified9 forum posts2205/1000
4 year(s) ago
Always prioritize your students improvement, experience at the gym and safety. Never forget who brought you to the dance. I’ve seen a lot of gym owners over the years fall in love with themselves, or overemphasize the competition superstars in their gyms and forget that the day to day students are the ones paying the bills, keeping the gym open and maintaining the gym culture. These are the people taking time, energy and money away from themselves, their families and work to be at your gym. Respect and do right by them and you will avoid a lot of the domino effect problems that happen over the years that happen when your focus is elsewhere. Also, focus on creating high quality services and do a reasonable job marketing and you will stand out. Bjj, martial arts and the fitness industry is rife with an imbalance between quality and marketing (in both directions.). If you do a great job then you can market with integrity and word will spread. Good luck, I hope that helps some!
Nailed it.
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
4 year(s) ago
I agree. This used to annoy me too when I was pushed to buy something that I did not need or wanted. However, if you have products in your school people are free to buy or not. Not necessary everything with your brand but offer products that naturally students may want. I would love train in a gym and get an 'açai' after a hard training (is delicious and health too). Or buy a T-shirt of the school if I liked it. Specially who is starting a new Dojo I think this will help to pay the bills. OSS!
Acai is just sugar/syrup with some added frozen acai berries. No healthier than blueberries, which are healthy and not bitter like acai. But yes. I'd love some after training. :D

I'd sell gym merch and have a flea market type of thing going on for used gear.
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
4 year(s) ago
Regardless of what your policy is when it comes to friendships, you would probably benefit from establishing a code of conduct for your instructors, to include the issue (among others) of dating students and co-instructors. Definitely make it clear what your policies are (I've learned from personal experience that this is important).
Erico Bueno
Erico Bueno
Black belt 1st degreeVerified21 forum posts1720/1000
4 year(s) ago
Regardless of what your policy is when it comes to friendships, you would probably benefit from establishing a code of conduct for your instructors, to include the issue (among others) of dating students and co-instructors. Definitely make it clear what your policies are (I've learned from personal experience that this is important).
You got it.
Erico Bueno
Erico Bueno
Black belt 1st degreeVerified21 forum posts1720/1000
4 year(s) ago
Regardless of what your policy is when it comes to friendships, you would probably benefit from establishing a code of conduct for your instructors, to include the issue (among others) of dating students and co-instructors. Definitely make it clear what your policies are (I've learned from personal experience that this is important).
You got it.
Michael Guarneri, Jr.
Michael Guarneri, Jr.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified82 forum posts1945/1000
4 year(s) ago
4 - Warm up with BJJ. People who have jobs and families don't have as much free time as they would like. If they're coming to a BJJ class, they want to do BJJ. They can do push-ups and sit-ups at home. They aren't there for strength training or to play football. If they wanted that, they'd go to a gym or join a football club. My coach started leaving out the calisthenics drills in warmups and we just do BJJ drills instead, and his group got very popular. So much so, he actually had to stop taking new students because he ran out of space.
Agree with this 100%. This is actually how I start my classes. I have my students start class with a few BJJ drills then 1 round of flow rolling then techniques. It leaves a lot more time at the end of the class for everyone to roll.

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