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What are your Basic Technics you would concentrate on if you would begin from scratch?
6 year(s) ago • 12609 views • 42 replies
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi Daniel, that is a good and an important question. To me the fundamentals of BJJ are not a specific technique but instead they are just a few points you need to focus on and they are the same points in any given position. The five most crucial points you need to focus on and it doesn't matter in which position you are in, are your elbows, knees and your head. You want to defend your elbows, knees and head while you're trying to control your opponents elbows knees and head. Here are a few examples: -If someone is trying to pass your guard you should be preventing your opponent from getting control of your knee or knees. If your opponent doesn't control your knees there is no guard pass there for him (notice that your opponent can control your knee without touching it, for instance by pinning your ankle). Therefore if you're trying to pass someones guard you need control over their knee, because then you control the guard and only after you gain that control you can pass the guard. -If someone is attacking your legs they will also need control over your knee. So you'll need to protect your knee/s and prevent your opponent from getting a grip on them. Therefore if you're attacking someones legs or feet you need to control that legs knee. -When you're on bottom in side control, mount, backmount etc. if your opponent gets control of your elbows (and the control being any part of him between your torso and your elbow) he will have a easier time of controling you and then submitting you. Therefore if you're attacking your opponents arm or hand you need to first control him and you cannot do that if you don't have control over his elbows. -For any submission on your arms or hands your opponent needs control over your elbow. Therefore if you need to escape any submission attempt on your arms you need to free your elbow. -For any submission on your legs or feet your opponent needs control over your knee (like I said before). Therefore if you need to escape any submission attempt on your arms you need to free your knee. You should be able to apply these fundamental points to any position in BJJ! And as a side-effect of keeping your elbows close to your hip/torso you're automatically not pushing your opponent away and therefore you can relax and breathe because pushing your opponent away with your arms is the most common way to drain your energy.
Excellent post! Glad this thread got resurrected just so I saw this.
Also to add another answer to op's question, I want to stress the importance of finding your way to your favourite sweep/pass/submission and then maintaining that position. For example, I quickly went to half guard as a base due to shitty knees and a sucky open guard. I wish I had spent more time getting to and retaining half guard in the old days vs learning a million sweeps from half guard. Same can be said for any technique. If you like passing using a leg drag, learn how to get there from all guards. If you have a favourite omoplata sweep, same thing, learn how to get there. Furthermore, getting there varies so much based on the level of your opponent, so it's really a never ending thing.
Also to add another answer to op's question, I want to stress the importance of finding your way to your favourite sweep/pass/submission and then maintaining that position. For example, I quickly went to half guard as a base due to shitty knees and a sucky open guard. I wish I had spent more time getting to and retaining half guard in the old days vs learning a million sweeps from half guard. Same can be said for any technique. If you like passing using a leg drag, learn how to get there from all guards. If you have a favourite omoplata sweep, same thing, learn how to get there. Furthermore, getting there varies so much based on the level of your opponent, so it's really a never ending thing.
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Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Shrimping & framing
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Priit's defensive structures (running man)
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
People go on such a rant when it comes to basics. Basically being anything but basic.
I think the most basic movement is the hip escape.
The most basic concept is relaxing and breathing.
The most basic principle is that if you are feeling ANY amount of resistance, you need to go a different way.
I think the most basic movement is the hip escape.
The most basic concept is relaxing and breathing.
The most basic principle is that if you are feeling ANY amount of resistance, you need to go a different way.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I want to know which technics work for you and why. Which ones you would never leave home without it? Subs, escapes, transitions.
I asked myself that same question when I started.
one data set I looked at was stats from 25 years of UFC, 5,000 fights.
1. Rear Naked Choke (392)
2. Guillotine Choke (188)
3. Arm Bar (155)
4. Triangle Choke (68)
5. Arm Triangle (63)
I think that's a decent proxy for what works under high pressure. MMA rule set.
(source : http://www.ufc-secrets.co[...]ma-events/)
Let's also look at ADCC 2019 :
RNC (14)
Heel Hook (9)
Guillotine (4)
Armbar (3)
Arm triangle (2)
Kimura, toe hold, straight ankle lock, triangle (1)
(source : https://www.flograppling.[...]rends-more)
another rule-set, some of the same usual suspects.
so cross-referencing those two we have clear winner if we could only have one :
Rear Naked Strangle^^
But the question itself is slightly inadequate, because learning grappling is so much more than learning a set of techniques; it's the myriad concepts and acquired body skills, coordination, pressure and timing that makes it all work.
Much more important than the techniques is the ability to control a resisting opponent.
So we need to develop such areas as :
frames, stickiness, pressure, eliminating space/slack, overlapping pressures, connecting and disconnecting, grips, identifying the far end of the levers, precision, timing, chaining threats, deception, identifying wedges, economy of motion, breathing, posting, stappling, stiff arming, and many more
another approach is to focus on the foundational movements :
hip heist, bridges, shrimping (rising, backward, "elegant" << Xande), backstep, inversions, switching base, knee-elbow connection, elbow-hip connection, arm-under roll, etc.
Control yourself
Control you opponent
I'm embracing the fact that there are thousands of techniques, but every time I practice a new one, I try to see what fundamental concepts it employs and how it can help me refine my understanding of those underlying concepts.
personal favorite : 2 on 1 grips of all sorts
Kimura
Reverse Kimura
Russian Tie
Gift wrap
Komlock
cheers,
Gerald
one data set I looked at was stats from 25 years of UFC, 5,000 fights.
1. Rear Naked Choke (392)
2. Guillotine Choke (188)
3. Arm Bar (155)
4. Triangle Choke (68)
5. Arm Triangle (63)
I think that's a decent proxy for what works under high pressure. MMA rule set.
(source : http://www.ufc-secrets.co[...]ma-events/)
Let's also look at ADCC 2019 :
RNC (14)
Heel Hook (9)
Guillotine (4)
Armbar (3)
Arm triangle (2)
Kimura, toe hold, straight ankle lock, triangle (1)
(source : https://www.flograppling.[...]rends-more)
another rule-set, some of the same usual suspects.
so cross-referencing those two we have clear winner if we could only have one :
Rear Naked Strangle^^
But the question itself is slightly inadequate, because learning grappling is so much more than learning a set of techniques; it's the myriad concepts and acquired body skills, coordination, pressure and timing that makes it all work.
Much more important than the techniques is the ability to control a resisting opponent.
So we need to develop such areas as :
frames, stickiness, pressure, eliminating space/slack, overlapping pressures, connecting and disconnecting, grips, identifying the far end of the levers, precision, timing, chaining threats, deception, identifying wedges, economy of motion, breathing, posting, stappling, stiff arming, and many more
another approach is to focus on the foundational movements :
hip heist, bridges, shrimping (rising, backward, "elegant" << Xande), backstep, inversions, switching base, knee-elbow connection, elbow-hip connection, arm-under roll, etc.
Control yourself
Control you opponent
I'm embracing the fact that there are thousands of techniques, but every time I practice a new one, I try to see what fundamental concepts it employs and how it can help me refine my understanding of those underlying concepts.
personal favorite : 2 on 1 grips of all sorts
Kimura
Reverse Kimura
Russian Tie
Gift wrap
Komlock
cheers,
Gerald
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Distance management... In everything!
Whether that's: bridging, shrimping, framing, sticky hooks, active guard, connection theory... ect.
I found my greatest improvement came (recently) after realising what 'distance'did, wheather that's the making of, filling it or control of it, was amazing.
Breakdown your favorite move right now and just think of it as making, filling and controlling the distance and why/how it works in that sequence.
E.g. The basic kimura from NS.
Instead of getting your figure 4 grip and applying the kimura with arms try 'closing the distance' between their elbow and your chest then making distance between their elbow and shoulder.
After reading this that's a pretty lame example but it's the best I can come up with on the spot. This works in everything I've applied it to so far. Mind bending once you delve deep.
Whether that's: bridging, shrimping, framing, sticky hooks, active guard, connection theory... ect.
I found my greatest improvement came (recently) after realising what 'distance'did, wheather that's the making of, filling it or control of it, was amazing.
Breakdown your favorite move right now and just think of it as making, filling and controlling the distance and why/how it works in that sequence.
E.g. The basic kimura from NS.
Instead of getting your figure 4 grip and applying the kimura with arms try 'closing the distance' between their elbow and your chest then making distance between their elbow and shoulder.
After reading this that's a pretty lame example but it's the best I can come up with on the spot. This works in everything I've applied it to so far. Mind bending once you delve deep.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
You can't compare a self-directed sport (skateboarding) where REPLICATION of IDEAL is a measure of success to an interactive sport game where doing a definitive thing as a zero-sum AGAINST the other (team) is a measure of success. So "BASICS" in the games is a much murkier and contextual thing.
Mic drop.
Mic drop.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I second Priit's defensive postures. Wish I would have known that as a white belt. Oh well. Better late than never!
Also, less reliance on the gi.
Also, less reliance on the gi.
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Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I've been thinking about this since my first post, which I still agree with, and I've had some outside inspiration also...
I remember being told about Jean Jacques Machado and his approach to BJJ as a young practitioner. He never attempted or paid much attention to submissions (in the beginning)... Instead he focused solely on escapes and reversals to become uncontrollable. After 4-5 years nobody could get anything on him so he started attempting submissions without the fear of it leading to him getting stuck somewhere and being submitted. Now he's a bit of a submission nerd and does all sorts of crazy cool stuff... Coral belts am I right.
Also I recently watched something Chew Jitsu put up that I have to agree with... He says something on the lines of:
"Give or take, at most levels of jiu Jitsu, 70% of any roll, competition or otherwise, will be spent using or passing guard".
Again I have to agree. (someone had asked what to focus on after becoming overwhelmed by the immensity of bjj). He said when he runs out of things or doesn't have a focus this is his default area to drill and improve.
So on another branch if I were to start again I would focus on:
*Escapes and reversals, becoming uncontrollable.
*Having guard of doom (the main ones: closed guard, 1/2 guard etc.)
*Passing skills that make opponents whimper in the corner once the match is over.
Funnily enough... This can all be boiled down to...
Distance Management.
I remember being told about Jean Jacques Machado and his approach to BJJ as a young practitioner. He never attempted or paid much attention to submissions (in the beginning)... Instead he focused solely on escapes and reversals to become uncontrollable. After 4-5 years nobody could get anything on him so he started attempting submissions without the fear of it leading to him getting stuck somewhere and being submitted. Now he's a bit of a submission nerd and does all sorts of crazy cool stuff... Coral belts am I right.
Also I recently watched something Chew Jitsu put up that I have to agree with... He says something on the lines of:
"Give or take, at most levels of jiu Jitsu, 70% of any roll, competition or otherwise, will be spent using or passing guard".
Again I have to agree. (someone had asked what to focus on after becoming overwhelmed by the immensity of bjj). He said when he runs out of things or doesn't have a focus this is his default area to drill and improve.
So on another branch if I were to start again I would focus on:
*Escapes and reversals, becoming uncontrollable.
*Having guard of doom (the main ones: closed guard, 1/2 guard etc.)
*Passing skills that make opponents whimper in the corner once the match is over.
Funnily enough... This can all be boiled down to...
Distance Management.
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Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I've been thinking about this since my first post, which I still agree with, and I've had some outside inspiration also... I remember being told about Jean Jacques Machado and his approach to BJJ as a young practitioner. He never attempted or paid much attention to submissions (in the beginning)... Instead he focused solely on escapes and reversals to become uncontrollable. After 4-5 years nobody could get anything on him so he started attempting submissions without the fear of it leading to him getting stuck somewhere and being submitted. Now he's a bit of a submission nerd and does all sorts of crazy cool stuff... Coral belts am I right. Also I recently watched something Chew Jitsu put up that I have to agree with... He says something on the lines of: 'Give or take, at most levels of jiu Jitsu, 70% of any roll, competition or otherwise, will be spent using or passing guard'. Again I have to agree. (someone had asked what to focus on after becoming overwhelmed by the immensity of bjj). He said when he runs out of things or doesn't have a focus this is his default area to drill and improve. So on another branch if I were to start again I would focus on: *Escapes and reversals, becoming uncontrollable. *Having guard of doom (the main ones: closed guard, 1/2 guard etc.) *Passing skills that make opponents whimper in the corner once the match is over. Funnily enough... This can all be boiled down to... Distance Management.
Boiling it down to Distance Management is a good insight.
I'm struggling with how to formulate this, but yet if the goal (original thread question) is to find guiding principles for beginners, Distance Management might be too broad, as it will need to be unpacked into its myriads components; control points, leading edges, using the legs/knees/elbows/head, limb sensitivity, proprioception, frames, footwork, loading the weight, types of grips, grip fighting, inside space, level change, etc. *
and it's only after having toiled and experienced success and failures that one can synthesize all that into; yep, it's just Distance Management.
I often think about this topic, as I teach my son and sometimes lead some classes.
*Actually I'm curious @Dave Cork, as you've spent lots of time thinking about Distance Management, how would you organize the components that lead to effective distance management?
I'm struggling with how to formulate this, but yet if the goal (original thread question) is to find guiding principles for beginners, Distance Management might be too broad, as it will need to be unpacked into its myriads components; control points, leading edges, using the legs/knees/elbows/head, limb sensitivity, proprioception, frames, footwork, loading the weight, types of grips, grip fighting, inside space, level change, etc. *
and it's only after having toiled and experienced success and failures that one can synthesize all that into; yep, it's just Distance Management.
I often think about this topic, as I teach my son and sometimes lead some classes.
*Actually I'm curious @Dave Cork, as you've spent lots of time thinking about Distance Management, how would you organize the components that lead to effective distance management?
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
The same way I organise pretty much everything I teach: From standing moving down to ground positions.
Foot work of most styles.
Red light - orange light - green light.
Punch scale 1-10.
Creating and filling space.
How can I give them as much useful, real shit around how a fight goes (with an untrained person) as possible.
I like to keep stuff simple because I'm a simple man. I always say to my student's, "unless it was your idea or through your actions its probably not good for you".
But as you said distance management is a HUGE topic that almost always takes years of dripfed, almost subconscious reinforcement unless someone has come from another background. Its taken me over 5 years to have the coin-drop moment and think, "whoa... Jits is basically all about controlling distance in any given position, making and filling space".(insert wide eyes).
But I'm no master bro, I get got all the time and no doubt there are better ways to do everything I think I'm good at.
Don't know if that really answered your question?...
Foot work of most styles.
Red light - orange light - green light.
Punch scale 1-10.
Creating and filling space.
How can I give them as much useful, real shit around how a fight goes (with an untrained person) as possible.
I like to keep stuff simple because I'm a simple man. I always say to my student's, "unless it was your idea or through your actions its probably not good for you".
But as you said distance management is a HUGE topic that almost always takes years of dripfed, almost subconscious reinforcement unless someone has come from another background. Its taken me over 5 years to have the coin-drop moment and think, "whoa... Jits is basically all about controlling distance in any given position, making and filling space".(insert wide eyes).
But I'm no master bro, I get got all the time and no doubt there are better ways to do everything I think I'm good at.
Don't know if that really answered your question?...
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
The same way I organise pretty much everything I teach: From standing moving down to ground positions. Foot work of most styles. Red light - orange light - green light. Punch scale 1-10. Creating and filling space. How can I give them as much useful, real shit around how a fight goes (with an untrained person) as possible. I like to keep stuff simple because I'm a simple man. I always say to my student's, 'unless it was your idea or through your actions its probably not good for you'. But as you said distance management is a HUGE topic that almost always takes years of dripfed, almost subconscious reinforcement unless someone has come from another background. Its taken me over 5 years to have the coin-drop moment and think, 'whoa... Jits is basically all about controlling distance in any given position, making and filling space'.(insert wide eyes). But I'm no master bro, I get got all the time and no doubt there are better ways to do everything I think I'm good at. Don't know if that really answered your question?...
Master or not, I find that everyone has sharing something I can learn from.
Their observations to details and ability to articulate and teach/repeat/refine that process, or demonstrate that concept /technique to integrate into my present skill set, for me to dial it up or down to taste is the umami of BJJ. This is all very helpful.
Muito obrigado!
Their observations to details and ability to articulate and teach/repeat/refine that process, or demonstrate that concept /technique to integrate into my present skill set, for me to dial it up or down to taste is the umami of BJJ. This is all very helpful.
Muito obrigado!
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I would practice on and still practice my shrimps, bridges, and guard retention.
I usually let someone pass my guard and my short term goal is to put them back in my guard.
Next I would focus on breathing/ staying calm, have a good base, and T-Rex arms.
When I first started to train I would leave my arms out there for the world to arm bar. Now I try not to do that as often...lol
Those are some of the basics we practice a lot of.
I usually let someone pass my guard and my short term goal is to put them back in my guard.
Next I would focus on breathing/ staying calm, have a good base, and T-Rex arms.
When I first started to train I would leave my arms out there for the world to arm bar. Now I try not to do that as often...lol
Those are some of the basics we practice a lot of.


