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When studying martial arts ruins books / films / tv shows
5 year(s) ago • 546 views • 16 replies
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
So I just finished reading one of those kitschy mystery thrillers that women's book clubs love so much. There's this part at the end where the protagonist confronts the bad guy alone in a remote cabin. The book describes her as a small woman, no combat training or anything, while the bad guy is tall and athletic.
She tries to stab him in the neck with a concealed pocket knife; he catches her wrist with one hand and gets her in a sort of clinch with the other.
And then it said something like, "She kicked him in the stomach. He doubled over." (Definitely "kicked," not "kneed."..)
My brain: "How the hell do you kick a guy in the stomach if he's got your wrist with one hand and has you wrapped with the other arm? Especially if he's a foot taller than you? Knee him *maybe,* but definitely not a kick. And could an untrained woman kick an athletic guy in the stomach hard enough to wind him even if she was the correct distance away?"
Has jiu-jitsu permanently ruined my enjoyment of fictional fight scenes? Will I be able to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer again without my eyes rolling into the back of my head??
What fictional fights has studying martial arts ruined for you?
She tries to stab him in the neck with a concealed pocket knife; he catches her wrist with one hand and gets her in a sort of clinch with the other.
And then it said something like, "She kicked him in the stomach. He doubled over." (Definitely "kicked," not "kneed."..)
My brain: "How the hell do you kick a guy in the stomach if he's got your wrist with one hand and has you wrapped with the other arm? Especially if he's a foot taller than you? Knee him *maybe,* but definitely not a kick. And could an untrained woman kick an athletic guy in the stomach hard enough to wind him even if she was the correct distance away?"
Has jiu-jitsu permanently ruined my enjoyment of fictional fight scenes? Will I be able to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer again without my eyes rolling into the back of my head??
What fictional fights has studying martial arts ruined for you?
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RNBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
RNBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
SCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Has jiu-jitsu permanently ruined my enjoyment of fictional fight scenes?
In short: yes. Most fictional fight scenes are poorly (unrealistically) choreographed
JWBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
On the flip side I’m really impressed when I see legit Jiu Jitsu being used in movies now.
PBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Does the katana refer to the "samurai choke " ? Lol
After watching the trailer, it sounds highlander, mortal kombat and predator mixing in a Z movie. ..
After watching the trailer, it sounds highlander, mortal kombat and predator mixing in a Z movie. ..
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
After watching the trailer, it sounds highlander, mortal kombat and predator mixing in a Z movie. ..
You mean it's FRICKIN' AWESOME!
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Will I be able to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer again without my eyes rolling into the back of my head?
Buffy is suitably amazing (though Willow was much more amazing, I would have happily watched a Willow spin-off :D ) that I don't think it will be an issue. ;)
I don't roll my eyes at the fight scenes: I roll my eyes at how Faith is so ridiculously emo all the time. My least favourite character, along with Buffy's sister. :P
I don't roll my eyes at the fight scenes: I roll my eyes at how Faith is so ridiculously emo all the time. My least favourite character, along with Buffy's sister. :P
PBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
In short: yes. Most fictional fight scenes are poorly (unrealistically) choreographed
mmm the MMA fights in Warrior were pretty good, I think Jackson/wink were there to advise the choregraphy
regarding old school fights, well the game of death with Bruce Lee vs the giant played by Karim Abdul Jabar, outmatched by the reach and the strength of the last one, Lee has to knock him down and finish on the gound with a kesagatame
regarding old school fights, well the game of death with Bruce Lee vs the giant played by Karim Abdul Jabar, outmatched by the reach and the strength of the last one, Lee has to knock him down and finish on the gound with a kesagatame
PBlack beltVerified
PBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
So I just finished reading one of those kitschy mystery thrillers that women's book clubs love so much. There's this part at the end where the protagonist confronts the bad guy alone in a remote cabin. The book describes her as a small woman, no combat training or anything, while the bad guy is tall and athletic. She tries to stab him in the neck with a concealed pocket knife; he catches her wrist with one hand and gets her in a sort of clinch with the other. And then it said something like, 'She kicked him in the stomach. He doubled over.' (Definitely 'kicked,' not 'kneed.'..) My brain: 'How the hell do you kick a guy in the stomach if he's got your wrist with one hand and has you wrapped with the other arm? Especially if he's a foot taller than you? Knee him *maybe,* but definitely not a kick. And could an untrained woman kick an athletic guy in the stomach hard enough to wind him even if she was the correct distance away?' Has jiu-jitsu permanently ruined my enjoyment of fictional fight scenes? Will I be able to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer again without my eyes rolling into the back of my head?? What fictional fights has studying martial arts ruined for you?
you have this kind of fights with Ms Emma Peel (the late Diana Rigg) and her karate chop in the Avengers (not the marvel stuff)
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
A parody movie is Kung Fury, I was laughing so loud
Kung Fury is AMAZING. I used to have a tradition with my students of watching it every year at the Leuven BJJ Globetrotters Camp. So much 80s awesome in a short space of time. :D
RNBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
When someone gets a rear naked choke in the movies and goes out and the hero lets go pretty much straight away (the ones where they don’t snap the neck) and carry’s on with his mission, I always wonder what the guy does when he wakes up, they never raise the alarm. I’m assuming each time that they decide they’ve had enough of their job and leave. Probably get a job with a union to complain these thing to.
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
When someone gets a rear naked choke in the movies and goes out and the hero lets go pretty much straight away (the ones where they don’t snap the neck) and carry’s on with his mission, I always wonder what the guy does when he wakes up, they never raise the alarm. I’m assuming each time that they decide they’ve had enough of their job and leave. Probably get a job with a union to complain these thing to.
Filed a complaint with HR obviously
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
When someone gets a rear naked choke in the movies and goes out and the hero lets go pretty much straight away (the ones where they don’t snap the neck) and carry’s on with his mission, I always wonder what the guy does when he wakes up, they never raise the alarm. I’m assuming each time that they decide they’ve had enough of their job and leave. Probably get a job with a union to complain these thing to.
Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine... either doing the little neck crank which supposedly instantly kills the guy, or hitting/choking them unconscious, after which they remain that way for as long as is convenient for the plot.
Same with the good guys getting knocked out cold (typically a blunt hit to the back of the skull), staying unconscious for a long-ass time so they can be transported to some other location, and waking up way later only with a small headache if even that.
This is used so much a lot of people don't even know that it doesn't work like that...
Same with the good guys getting knocked out cold (typically a blunt hit to the back of the skull), staying unconscious for a long-ass time so they can be transported to some other location, and waking up way later only with a small headache if even that.
This is used so much a lot of people don't even know that it doesn't work like that...
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Buffy is suitably amazing (though Willow was much more amazing, I would have happily watched a Willow spin-off :D ) that I don't think it will be an issue. ;) I don't roll my eyes at the fight scenes: I roll my eyes at how Faith is so ridiculously emo all the time. My least favourite character, along with Buffy's sister. :P
I re-watched the entire series (plus Angel) in 2018 - 2019 (my husband hadn't seen it; I made him watch all 12 seasons). For the most part, the show aged pretty well and has a lot of themes and imagery still relevant to today's audience. It was still empowering and feminist AF (granted, I now have a lot of issues with Joss Whedon's so-called "feminism"..) and of course Willow and Tara were history-making in that they were some of the first lesbian characters to have starring roles in a popular television show.
The show was, regrettably, racist as all get, not overtly, but more because there wasn't a single PoC regular on the show for more than a few episodes (not until the introduction of Charles Gunn in Angel), this in spite of the show being set in diverse southern California. The main cast, supporting cast, and villains were, for the most part, white. Reflecting its 90s ethos, it also wasn't a very sex-positive show. (As a somewhat conservative Christian I don't personally mind this in my TV, I'm just pointing out that the story arcs that regularly punished Buffy for her few sexual encounters wouldn't fly well today.)
I actually liked the character of Faith *a lot.* She's a little annoying at first, but her redemption story arc is, IMO, one of the better ones on the show. The episode where she steals Buffy's body and experiences all levels of "because it's WRONG" (from mocking Buffy's perceived sexual purity to coming to her sincere realization in the church with that cross behind her that some things---like murdering helpless people---are actually wrong), it's one of my favorite episodes on the show.
(I'm also a big Eliza Dushku fan. I did my undergrad at Brigham Young University as a non-Mormon, which is a long story, but Dushku's mother, Judith Dushku, is a very well-known Mormon feminist.)
My favorite characters were Spike and Anya. I think I acquired my Asperger's-like tendency to blurt out awkward truths no one else wants to say from Anya. Drew Goddard's "Selfless" was hands-down the best episode of the show (I think it was one of his first screenwriting credits; no surprise he went on to make awesome things like Cloverfield and Cabin in the Woods).
Dawn was the show's moppet though. Not even gonna try to defend her.
Anyhow, I wonder now whether I would cringe at the fight scenes if I decided to re-watch the show yet again. My now-ex-husband (who had a couple of black belts in TMAs) always complained that the fighting on the show looked fake. Now I'm wondering whether I'd agree with him.
The show was, regrettably, racist as all get, not overtly, but more because there wasn't a single PoC regular on the show for more than a few episodes (not until the introduction of Charles Gunn in Angel), this in spite of the show being set in diverse southern California. The main cast, supporting cast, and villains were, for the most part, white. Reflecting its 90s ethos, it also wasn't a very sex-positive show. (As a somewhat conservative Christian I don't personally mind this in my TV, I'm just pointing out that the story arcs that regularly punished Buffy for her few sexual encounters wouldn't fly well today.)
I actually liked the character of Faith *a lot.* She's a little annoying at first, but her redemption story arc is, IMO, one of the better ones on the show. The episode where she steals Buffy's body and experiences all levels of "because it's WRONG" (from mocking Buffy's perceived sexual purity to coming to her sincere realization in the church with that cross behind her that some things---like murdering helpless people---are actually wrong), it's one of my favorite episodes on the show.
(I'm also a big Eliza Dushku fan. I did my undergrad at Brigham Young University as a non-Mormon, which is a long story, but Dushku's mother, Judith Dushku, is a very well-known Mormon feminist.)
My favorite characters were Spike and Anya. I think I acquired my Asperger's-like tendency to blurt out awkward truths no one else wants to say from Anya. Drew Goddard's "Selfless" was hands-down the best episode of the show (I think it was one of his first screenwriting credits; no surprise he went on to make awesome things like Cloverfield and Cabin in the Woods).
Dawn was the show's moppet though. Not even gonna try to defend her.
Anyhow, I wonder now whether I would cringe at the fight scenes if I decided to re-watch the show yet again. My now-ex-husband (who had a couple of black belts in TMAs) always complained that the fighting on the show looked fake. Now I'm wondering whether I'd agree with him.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mormon feminist? Now that sounds fascinating, I'll have to look her up! Faith may be a character I hate, but from what you just said, the actor's mother is somebody I might well enjoy reading. ;)
Yeah, I loved Anya too, very annoyed they killed her off at the end. I did a Buffy binge during the first lockdown, fight scenes still held up relatively ok, although yeah, they're nothing special. Especially compared to today, as fortunately the best fight choreography ever (Hong Kong action cinema) has now largely filtered through to both Hollywood and big budget TV.
I'd like to get through Angel too, but I don't think it's available on either Netflix or Amazon, AFAIK? Plus I only sign up to Amazon Video when there's a new series of Picard anyway. :P
Yeah, I loved Anya too, very annoyed they killed her off at the end. I did a Buffy binge during the first lockdown, fight scenes still held up relatively ok, although yeah, they're nothing special. Especially compared to today, as fortunately the best fight choreography ever (Hong Kong action cinema) has now largely filtered through to both Hollywood and big budget TV.
I'd like to get through Angel too, but I don't think it's available on either Netflix or Amazon, AFAIK? Plus I only sign up to Amazon Video when there's a new series of Picard anyway. :P
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