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Competitive or Hobbyist?

3 year(s) ago • 9334 views • 79 replies

Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17465/1000
3 year(s) ago
Following question fits into this thread:

We are definitely a "hobbyst" gym. First of all - no pro athletes in the sense that noone gets paid for competing. Secondly - even though a lovely lot of people compete, it's still maybe 10-20% of the whole population and even then most of them do 1-2 whitebelt competitions and that's that.

This is also why I've been reluctant to call any class "competition class" - because there are a bunch of non-competitors who would fit into any either more competition-oriented or just more athletically challenging classes. Also not all of these classes are directly linked to any specific sport-ruleset (e.g. IBJJF, ADCC etc).

So there is this type of class which are more "advanced" not in primarily in the technical sense but more in the physical sense.

WHAT TO CALL THOSE CLASSES?

(Competition class is a no go because of the above. Heavy drilling etc name just sounds stupid. Athletes class is also a no go because of the above. Also it's not only sparring / positional sparring class even though the boring "positional sparring class" would be the closest maybe if you guys have no better suggestions :)
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1126 forum posts21045/1000
3 year(s) ago
How about 'Technical Class' or 'Conditional Class' so it can be 'conditional' sparring or technique review?
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
3 year(s) ago
Phil's a beast. I see him on these superfight lineups all the time. Most doctors I've spoken to who are familiar with all of my various issues tell me not to compete, but I also think that most of these guys aren't very informed about what bjj is. Now every time I see a new doctor I tell them right off the bad that I'm gonna be sparring and competing, and I'm not interested in changing my behavior, and most time we can find some middle ground.
Thanks...

It's funny I had a great doctor in Vegas it was one of the concierge services where you paid X dollars a quarter and he was kind of on call.. I joked my job was to break it and his job was to get me back out there so I could break something else..

It made it easy as he wouldn't tell me not to do something unless it was truly stupid
James Jones
James Jones
Black beltVerified1310 forum posts6475/1000
3 year(s) ago
Following question fits into this thread: We are definitely a 'hobbyst' gym. First of all - no pro athletes in the sense that noone gets paid for competing. Secondly - even though a lovely lot of people compete, it's still maybe 10-20% of the whole population and even then most of them do 1-2 whitebelt competitions and that's that. This is also why I've been reluctant to call any class 'competition class' - because there are a bunch of non-competitors who would fit into any either more competition-oriented or just more athletically challenging classes. Also not all of these classes are directly linked to any specific sport-ruleset (e.g. IBJJF, ADCC etc). So there is this type of class which are more 'advanced' not in primarily in the technical sense but more in the physical sense. WHAT TO CALL THOSE CLASSES? (Competition class is a no go because of the above. Heavy drilling etc name just sounds stupid. Athletes class is also a no go because of the above. Also it's not only sparring / positional sparring class even though the boring 'positional sparring class' would be the closest maybe if you guys have no better suggestions :)
Gladiatorial Games

Or open mat.

Either of those.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17465/1000
3 year(s) ago
Gladiatorial Games Or open mat. Either of those.
No it's not open mat because it's not open free for all do whatever. It's a conducted and structured class still.

Gladiatorial games would refer to a sparring class and that's not it either.
Ben Wynne
Ben Wynne
Black belt 1st degreeVerified291 forum posts4820/1000
3 year(s) ago
I’m a hobbyist for sure. I roll for fun and teach because I like sharing what I’ve learned with our crew. I have a full time office job that pays the bills for my family. BJJ is my physical and social outlet. Most of our crew are in a similar boat. We ramp up the intensity for those that want to compete to help them prepare, but in general, almost everyone needs to front up to work the next day injury free and most aren’t interested in competition.

Honestly I find myself getting a bit jelly from time to time, watching the instagrams of those that can train every day or multiple times a day and compete at high levels. But we all have our own path, and that particular path isn’t mine 🤷‍♂️
Ben Wynne
Ben Wynne
Black belt 1st degreeVerified291 forum posts4820/1000
3 year(s) ago
Following question fits into this thread: We are definitely a 'hobbyst' gym. First of all - no pro athletes in the sense that noone gets paid for competing. Secondly - even though a lovely lot of people compete, it's still maybe 10-20% of the whole population and even then most of them do 1-2 whitebelt competitions and that's that. This is also why I've been reluctant to call any class 'competition class' - because there are a bunch of non-competitors who would fit into any either more competition-oriented or just more athletically challenging classes. Also not all of these classes are directly linked to any specific sport-ruleset (e.g. IBJJF, ADCC etc). So there is this type of class which are more 'advanced' not in primarily in the technical sense but more in the physical sense. WHAT TO CALL THOSE CLASSES? (Competition class is a no go because of the above. Heavy drilling etc name just sounds stupid. Athletes class is also a no go because of the above. Also it's not only sparring / positional sparring class even though the boring 'positional sparring class' would be the closest maybe if you guys have no better suggestions :)
Maybe just “comp prep class”

You don’t have to be competing, but you can train at an intensity that helps others prepare for competition
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
3 year(s) ago
WHAT TO CALL THOSE CLASSES?
We have something similar at my gym. In the schedule it's called "Comp Training" but when people ask me about it, I call it a "Forces Session" as I think it fits the theme better.
Andrew Pardee
Andrew Pardee
Black belt 1st degreeVerified13 forum posts1150/1000
3 year(s) ago
My Academy is 80% hobby and only 20% competitive. I don’t personally make any of my students compete if they want to sure we go and they do well. But I don’t make it the most important part of their journey if anything I find it a way to educate themselves even more.
Mirco
Mirco
Brown beltVerified805 forum posts5080/700
3 year(s) ago
I’m a hobbyist for sure. I roll for fun and teach because I like sharing what I’ve learned with our crew. I have a full time office job that pays the bills for my family. BJJ is my physical and social outlet. Most of our crew are in a similar boat. We ramp up the intensity for those that want to compete to help them prepare, but in general, almost everyone needs to front up to work the next day injury free and most aren’t interested in competition. Honestly I find myself getting a bit jelly from time to time, watching the instagrams of those that can train every day or multiple times a day and compete at high levels. But we all have our own path, and that particular path isn’t mine 🤷‍♂️
Absolutely, I am sitting in the same boat, Benny!
I am more than happy I am able to teach and train 3 sessions every week after duty (fulltime job, father, husband) and we have access to our blackbelt Coach only 5-6 times a year via seminars and privates, so our progress is slow, but steady!
Jack
Jack
Purple beltVerified26 forum posts1115/400
3 year(s) ago
I think I fall somewhere between hobbyist and competitor. I try and compete regularly even though it is not my favorite thing in the world. I have found it is good for my progression because it gives my coach and me the opportunity to find holes in my game and think of ways to patch them up. A bonus reason for competing, and by no means the main reason, winning a medal, which probably only cost $0.50 to make, but it is a tangible thing to show your significant other or family to represent all the hard work that has gone into your training leading up to that point.
Simon Morel
Simon Morel
Black beltVerified11 forum posts2800/1000
3 year(s) ago
I have the chance that my academy is ranked number 1 after French Championships for 2022 (Gi and Total) and 2023 (No Gi) but the mindset in training is not very competitive.
We are a hobbyist team with humble competitors that take care of low belts and give the will to become this kind of competitors that perform and are self confident in their abilities.

I did visit some teams where the mindset is "blood and sweat" with war at each training but now I am going to 40, I want a peaceful routine every weak and going harder when it is to go on.
Loreto
Loreto
Brown beltVerified25 forum posts1415/700
3 year(s) ago
Since before training bjj I have always been competitive in taekwondo Kick boxing sambo and karate when I started bjj I was also competing until 5 years ago I also trained many Mma and bjj athletes very active in competition now that I have resumed training a year and a half ago I am in a school that has a very high level of athletes in the competitive stage as well as very young and I really see that their level is very high and I think that I am in the amateur stage so I think that we can go through those stages depending on the time of our lives, no Just because of age, also because of job occupations or travel or changes at work. I changed countries and I had to get used to the change before resuming training, but my desire to compete is still alive and I hope to do it again soon.
Hamir Ibrahim Achacoso
Hamir Ibrahim Achacoso
Black belt 1st degreeVerified38 forum posts3765/1000
3 year(s) ago
I used to be a competitor (White to Blue belt) then I focused on training fundamentals to students. I am now a "hobbyist" teaching kids, blind kids, and adults.

We have MMA and BJJ competitors in my gym (90% hobbyist 10% competitors)
Aaron Clanton
Aaron Clanton
Purple beltVerified1 forum posts475/400
3 year(s) ago
Our academy is certainly competition friendly, and we have a feeding frenzy of comp opportunities in our area. That being said, it varies greatly from comp to comp on how many students sign up from our academy. It could be 90% of the gym signing up with a certain comp, and zero with the next one. Almost everyone has competed at least once but there's no pressure to do so. I've competed a couple times at blue belt because COVID pretty much shut down any comp opportunities for me at white belt in my state (CA), but I'm a hobbyist for sure by definition. Our academy is still young at 4 years old. I joined at the grand opening and I'm the highest ranking person in the school (black belt excluded). We're still growing and building the foundations. Just like any other school, we clean house sometimes at the comps, and we get pieced up sometimes too. Back to the lab, drill/situational out the bugs and go at it again. Such is the cycle in our lifestyle.
Kevin Outten
Kevin Outten
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified127 forum posts3570/1000
3 year(s) ago
I'm a self defense guy. I have 0 interest in competition. Never been competitive with anyone honestly. I admire guys that put in the time and effort for comps as much as I do practitioners that train for self defense, mentor others etc.
Hamir Ibrahim Achacoso
Hamir Ibrahim Achacoso
Black belt 1st degreeVerified38 forum posts3765/1000
3 year(s) ago
I'm a self defense guy. I have 0 interest in competition. Never been competitive with anyone honestly. I admire guys that put in the time and effort for comps as much as I do practitioners that train for self defense, mentor others etc.
I want my dojo / gym transition to self defense focused gym. Most inquiries are for self defense and not for competition.

I am also not a fan of the "Pay to Play"

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