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Late Start Jiu Jitsu
1 month(s) ago • 312 views • 20 replies
White beltVerified
1 month(s) ago
Hello all, I started jiu jitsu at 63. I just received my second stripe on my white belt. I'm curious how many of us started late in life and how do you adjust to "old man" jiu jitsu as I call it.
Also, just had my first competition in Albuquerque. How many of us compete. I'm looking forward to my next tournament.
Also, just had my first competition in Albuquerque. How many of us compete. I'm looking forward to my next tournament.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
1 month(s) ago
As an older practitioner (I'm in my 70's but still fairly active), the key is concentrating on defense and conserving energy. It's critically important to stay relaxed and breath normally when you are rolling. Avoid explosive moves and try to maintain good control and constant pressure on your opponent. Don't do inversion moves of any type. There are always work-arounds, and inversions (things like berimbolos) are the quickest path to injury for an older practitioner. Similarly don't allow yourself to be stacked... better to give up position than risk back or neck injury. Stick to the basics. For take downs, I have a nice video on "old man's judo" you might want to check out. https://www.youtube.com/w[...]5vmSO4H6bQ
White beltVerified
1 month(s) ago
Hey Professor, Thank you for the input!! I watched a video by one of the Gracie brothers that talked about being comfortable in bad positions. It talked about relaxing and breathing in bad positions. I've incorporated it into my jiu jitsu and it made a huge difference!!! Like you, I don't do moves that require inversion. I always tell my professor I'll come up with an "old man" version!! Thank you for the video and the advice!!! I want to get my black belt which means practicing into my 70s. So, here we go!!!
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
1 month(s) ago
I started in my mid 30's. Not much comps for old folks where I'm based and honestly it's not something I actively pursue as it doesn't spark any joy for me; however, I enjoy being able to move how I want without any restrictions and do what I do without any outside assistance and keep up with folks that I'm twice the age of and usually more. Keep going and chase skills, mobility, flexibility, cardio and strength, don't chase the belts.
White beltVerified
1 month(s) ago
Thank you for your advice!!! I'm definitely not in it for the belts!! Too old for that!! I'm in it for the skills, comradery, and fitness. The closest in age at my gym, not including my professor, is a blue belt at 42. Most are in their 20s and 30s. I enjoy rolling with them!! I went into jiu jitsu with a "tap early, tap often" mentality. I learn a lot rolling with everyone and I can tell my skill level is improving!! Thanks again!!
Black beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
I started at around 59 years of age, and living proof that you can earn a legit black belt as a senior citizen. As everybody's path in BJJ is different, the only advice I would offer for an older beginner is to simply apply those life skills you have been developing over the years – patience, observation, conservation of energy, equanimity – and simply keep turning up to practice. I remember an article I read when I first started about Helio Gracie. In his older years and knowing he would not be able to match the strength and stamina of the younger players, he would challenge them with "I bet you can't submit me." He made his defence impenetrable. I set out to emulate that approach. On the mat, concentrate on defence (survival). Let the young blokes wear themselves out trying to submit you. As time goes by, you will start to develop your own attack game from those defensive positions you've worked on, and you will definitely become a weapon the younger players will be wary of. Offer to help out with the kids classes, too. You will learn a lot and get a good, playful workout without the prospect of injury! I have found helping out in those classes a great way to stay on the mat when my body was not up to the challenge of a full-on roll for whatever reason. Best wishes to you and your BJJ journey!
White beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
Professor, thank you for your advice!!! About two months after starting jiu jitsu I saw a video from Rener Gracie about not fearing bad positions. It was very enlightening. Since then, when in a bad position I take his advice and relax, breath and study where the attack is coming from. I've taken that advice to heart. I don't have a great attack plan but, I am getting a lot better at defense. I'm only a two stripe white belt so I don't do a lot of teaching. But, I do enjoy working with children and will start helping with them at some point. Again, thank you for the advice!! You are an inspiration to me!!! Keep rolling!!!
Black beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
Professor, thank you for your advice!!! About two months after starting jiu jitsu I saw a video from Rener Gracie about not fearing bad positions. It was very enlightening. Since then, when in a bad position I take his advice and relax, breath and study where the attack is coming from. I've taken that advice to heart. I don't have a great attack plan but, I am getting a lot better at defense. I'm only a two stripe white belt so I don't do a lot of teaching. But, I do enjoy working with children and will start helping with them at some point. Again, thank you for the advice!! You are an inspiration to me!!! Keep rolling!!!
Sounds like you are truly on your way, William. Well done. I vividly remember the full-blown panic attacks I would get as a novice being stuck under some heavyweight taking a rest on top of me. I had to quickly get my head around, and follow exactly the same advice you saw Rener deliver.
Kids' classes!! Yes, helping out in kids' classes is a joy and a privilege. Note: helping out does not mean you are expected to teach, just watch the instructor and give the kids a helping hand to follow those directions. I was doing that as a white belt to great effect. Plus, of course you get to be the "crash-test dummy" for demos, and letting the kids get a kick out of trying their new techniques on you. Great way to learn and a ton of fun! I just asked one day if I could help out and before long I was running the juniors program. Thanks for your kind comments, William. I look forward to seeing you post your next promotion!
Kids' classes!! Yes, helping out in kids' classes is a joy and a privilege. Note: helping out does not mean you are expected to teach, just watch the instructor and give the kids a helping hand to follow those directions. I was doing that as a white belt to great effect. Plus, of course you get to be the "crash-test dummy" for demos, and letting the kids get a kick out of trying their new techniques on you. Great way to learn and a ton of fun! I just asked one day if I could help out and before long I was running the juniors program. Thanks for your kind comments, William. I look forward to seeing you post your next promotion!
Brown beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
I started the day after my 51st birthday. I will echo what Mr. Gilston and Mr. Howes say above. It has served me very well in my time on the mats to build a solid defense and now at brown it affords me the "time" I need to counter the younger, faster people in the gym.
The one thing I'll add is learn to pick your rolls. Do not be afraid or concerned with turning down a roll with anyone you don't feel comfortable rolling with. There will be young, strong, "wild" people that you encounter and you should be protective of yourself with them. As your skill grows it will most likely be less of a concern but especially at white and blue as an older grappler #1 priority should be taking care of yourself.
Ok, I lied, one other thing I'll add. Listen to your body. When I first started I did 10-12 hours of training a week and started to get beat up pretty bad. Having played sports and raced motocross when I was younger I had the "just push thru it" mentality, my "young" brain kept saying "just push thru it" but my old body was not having it. I had to realize that I could only do half of that per week and sustain over the long haul. Everyone is different and maybe you can do 20 hours per week but there will be a limit and you have to listen to your body, it will catch up fast, trust me.
Good luck in your journey and just don't quit. You can make it :)
The one thing I'll add is learn to pick your rolls. Do not be afraid or concerned with turning down a roll with anyone you don't feel comfortable rolling with. There will be young, strong, "wild" people that you encounter and you should be protective of yourself with them. As your skill grows it will most likely be less of a concern but especially at white and blue as an older grappler #1 priority should be taking care of yourself.
Ok, I lied, one other thing I'll add. Listen to your body. When I first started I did 10-12 hours of training a week and started to get beat up pretty bad. Having played sports and raced motocross when I was younger I had the "just push thru it" mentality, my "young" brain kept saying "just push thru it" but my old body was not having it. I had to realize that I could only do half of that per week and sustain over the long haul. Everyone is different and maybe you can do 20 hours per week but there will be a limit and you have to listen to your body, it will catch up fast, trust me.
Good luck in your journey and just don't quit. You can make it :)
White beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
Hey Coach!! Great advice!! Thankfully I have a sauna, cold plunge and a massage chair that helps with my recovery!! I attend every class and open mat time available. But, there are days when I just go to class for the drills and there are days when I'll limit my rolls to 1 or 2 and days when I'll roll 4 or 5 times. So far it's working really well. Other than a freak accident on the mats, no big injuries (takedown I was not expecting!!! Bad bruise under my knee cap). Even in my rolls now, I focus on staying calm (whether on top or bottom), evaluating my opponent for opportunities and breathing. It has made a huge difference!!! I feel it's working, I don't get submitted as much as I did two months ago. Even my rolling partners have noticed. I love absorbing all the advice from those who have gone through the same thing I am. Especially at an older age!!! Thanks again!!! Bill
Blue beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
Started at 42. About to turn 48. Managed to start when I still had enough of the youthful excitement to motivate me, now reluctantly transitioning to the training smarter, listening to your body stage of things.
Injuries have piled up. Some are permanent. So who knows what will eventually need to be replaced...
In the first few months at the school I'm now at, largely due to insecurity and wanting to make a good impression where I was new, I tried to keep up with the young'ins. Big mistake. This resulted in some worsening issues. Coach understood and takes me at my word when I need to drill slower or sit out some rounds.
Despite my coach himself telling me in no uncertain terms that I've "been a blue belt for too long", meaning I have a purple belt test coming up, the hardest pill to swallow has been that I know I can still get my ass whipped by a younger, more muscular and well motivated white belt.
Yeah. It's an ego thing.
At this point... I've simply stopped trying to keep up with anyone else's pace but my own.
I've had to change the way I approached things.
If it means I'm the "nice guy" for most during rounds, oh well. But... I have specifically been told by several that they "feel safe" when they roll with me. Even those that I can submit easily. I guess that counts for something.
(Additional detail: I have a cochlear implant. Due to my lack of hearing during rolls, I also pause after I set up a sub to make sure someone is able to ready a tap before I slowly continue with it since I can't hear verbal taps. This also means I lose subs because of it, it usually ends up being catch and release.)
If I have to pin or lock someone down for as long as I can to tire them out before I can do something effective due to my slower pace, I will.
If I have to let them work and do a defense only round because I know I'll hurt myself if I try to keep their pace, I will.
This mindset is a relatively recently bit of acceptance on my part knowing that it's not going to get easier due to injuries and age. I've been redeveloping large portions of my game to favor restriction of their movement rather than big movements on my part, eg explosive sweeps.
I wasn't sure about how I was doing until about two weeks ago I had a roll with a younger white belt early 20s kid who also did judo. Immediately spotted his osoto gari attempt, hopped out of it and pulled guard. Not fun. But it was safer. He tried some escapes, I kept myself small and defensive: even letting him out of closed guard instead of fighting to retain. He got side control, I was feeling kind of lame just blocking his attempts to mount and settling for locking each arm one at a time over doing any attempts at guard recovery until I realised he was panting heavily and I was breathing calmly. Managed to scoot him into place to do a kimura from bottom.
It works. Not exciting. But it works.
I save my energy for more trusted partners and kick it up a notch every now and then. Earlier on, the hard rolls I've had were fun, I miss them and the training partners who I got into scraps with. But I'm not an athlete or someone powered by the elixir of youth (TRT), so pragmatism must prevail.
Injuries have piled up. Some are permanent. So who knows what will eventually need to be replaced...
In the first few months at the school I'm now at, largely due to insecurity and wanting to make a good impression where I was new, I tried to keep up with the young'ins. Big mistake. This resulted in some worsening issues. Coach understood and takes me at my word when I need to drill slower or sit out some rounds.
Despite my coach himself telling me in no uncertain terms that I've "been a blue belt for too long", meaning I have a purple belt test coming up, the hardest pill to swallow has been that I know I can still get my ass whipped by a younger, more muscular and well motivated white belt.
Yeah. It's an ego thing.
At this point... I've simply stopped trying to keep up with anyone else's pace but my own.
I've had to change the way I approached things.
If it means I'm the "nice guy" for most during rounds, oh well. But... I have specifically been told by several that they "feel safe" when they roll with me. Even those that I can submit easily. I guess that counts for something.
(Additional detail: I have a cochlear implant. Due to my lack of hearing during rolls, I also pause after I set up a sub to make sure someone is able to ready a tap before I slowly continue with it since I can't hear verbal taps. This also means I lose subs because of it, it usually ends up being catch and release.)
If I have to pin or lock someone down for as long as I can to tire them out before I can do something effective due to my slower pace, I will.
If I have to let them work and do a defense only round because I know I'll hurt myself if I try to keep their pace, I will.
This mindset is a relatively recently bit of acceptance on my part knowing that it's not going to get easier due to injuries and age. I've been redeveloping large portions of my game to favor restriction of their movement rather than big movements on my part, eg explosive sweeps.
I wasn't sure about how I was doing until about two weeks ago I had a roll with a younger white belt early 20s kid who also did judo. Immediately spotted his osoto gari attempt, hopped out of it and pulled guard. Not fun. But it was safer. He tried some escapes, I kept myself small and defensive: even letting him out of closed guard instead of fighting to retain. He got side control, I was feeling kind of lame just blocking his attempts to mount and settling for locking each arm one at a time over doing any attempts at guard recovery until I realised he was panting heavily and I was breathing calmly. Managed to scoot him into place to do a kimura from bottom.
It works. Not exciting. But it works.
I save my energy for more trusted partners and kick it up a notch every now and then. Earlier on, the hard rolls I've had were fun, I miss them and the training partners who I got into scraps with. But I'm not an athlete or someone powered by the elixir of youth (TRT), so pragmatism must prevail.
Brown beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
Started at 42. About to turn 48. Managed to start when I still had enough of the youthful excitement to motivate me, now reluctantly transitioning to the training smarter, listening to your body stage of things. Injuries have piled up. Some are permanent. So who knows what will eventually need to be replaced... In the first few months at the school I'm now at, largely due to insecurity and wanting to make a good impression where I was new, I tried to keep up with the young'ins. Big mistake. This resulted in some worsening issues. Coach understood and takes me at my word when I need to drill slower or sit out some rounds. Despite my coach himself telling me in no uncertain terms that I've "been a blue belt for too long", meaning I have a purple belt test coming up, the hardest pill to swallow has been that I know I can still get my ass whipped by a younger, more muscular and well motivated white belt. Yeah. It's an ego thing. At this point... I've simply stopped trying to keep up with anyone else's pace but my own. I've had to change the way I approached things. If it means I'm the "nice guy" for most during rounds, oh well. But... I have specifically been told by several that they "feel safe" when they roll with me. Even those that I can submit easily. I guess that counts for something. (Additional detail: I have a cochlear implant. Due to my lack of hearing during rolls, I also pause after I set up a sub to make sure someone is able to ready a tap before I slowly continue with it since I can't hear verbal taps. This also means I lose subs because of it, it usually ends up being catch and release.) If I have to pin or lock someone down for as long as I can to tire them out before I can do something effective due to my slower pace, I will. If I have to let them work and do a defense only round because I know I'll hurt myself if I try to keep their pace, I will. This mindset is a relatively recently bit of acceptance on my part knowing that it's not going to get easier due to injuries and age. I've been redeveloping large portions of my game to favor restriction of their movement rather than big movements on my part, eg explosive sweeps. I wasn't sure about how I was doing until about two weeks ago I had a roll with a younger white belt early 20s kid who also did judo. Immediately spotted his osoto gari attempt, hopped out of it and pulled guard. Not fun. But it was safer. He tried some escapes, I kept myself small and defensive: even letting him out of closed guard instead of fighting to retain. He got side control, I was feeling kind of lame just blocking his attempts to mount and settling for locking each arm one at a time over doing any attempts at guard recovery until I realised he was panting heavily and I was breathing calmly. Managed to scoot him into place to do a kimura from bottom. It works. Not exciting. But it works. I save my energy for more trusted partners and kick it up a notch every now and then. Earlier on, the hard rolls I've had were fun, I miss them and the training partners who I got into scraps with. But I'm not an athlete or someone powered by the elixir of youth (TRT), so pragmatism must prevail.
Awesome approach and mindset of you! I think very similar now with almost 50 (started BJJ with 36 but train martial arts since 1999) and wear and tear on the body....I've stopped trying to keep up with anyone else's pace but my own, too... Simple risk reward ratio...
What you wrote about that you have been told by your training partners, that they "feel safe" when they roll with you, is amazing and a great feedback.
Challenge and fun on the mat is great and injuries can off course happen (and happened unfortunately), but if you can prevent it by taking an approach like you do, in my world it's a win win! When i think about my friend Glenn Lambdin, who is a blackbelt, BJJ Globetrotter, started BJJ late after 50 with 2 artificial knees and still is on the mats now with 70 years...it's all possible if you have the right mindset and train sustainable to still enjoy training Jiu Jitsu when you get older
What you wrote about that you have been told by your training partners, that they "feel safe" when they roll with you, is amazing and a great feedback.
Challenge and fun on the mat is great and injuries can off course happen (and happened unfortunately), but if you can prevent it by taking an approach like you do, in my world it's a win win! When i think about my friend Glenn Lambdin, who is a blackbelt, BJJ Globetrotter, started BJJ late after 50 with 2 artificial knees and still is on the mats now with 70 years...it's all possible if you have the right mindset and train sustainable to still enjoy training Jiu Jitsu when you get older
White beltVerified
2 week(s) ago
Started at 42. About to turn 48. Managed to start when I still had enough of the youthful excitement to motivate me, now reluctantly transitioning to the training smarter, listening to your body stage of things. Injuries have piled up. Some are permanent. So who knows what will eventually need to be replaced... In the first few months at the school I'm now at, largely due to insecurity and wanting to make a good impression where I was new, I tried to keep up with the young'ins. Big mistake. This resulted in some worsening issues. Coach understood and takes me at my word when I need to drill slower or sit out some rounds. Despite my coach himself telling me in no uncertain terms that I've "been a blue belt for too long", meaning I have a purple belt test coming up, the hardest pill to swallow has been that I know I can still get my ass whipped by a younger, more muscular and well motivated white belt. Yeah. It's an ego thing. At this point... I've simply stopped trying to keep up with anyone else's pace but my own. I've had to change the way I approached things. If it means I'm the "nice guy" for most during rounds, oh well. But... I have specifically been told by several that they "feel safe" when they roll with me. Even those that I can submit easily. I guess that counts for something. (Additional detail: I have a cochlear implant. Due to my lack of hearing during rolls, I also pause after I set up a sub to make sure someone is able to ready a tap before I slowly continue with it since I can't hear verbal taps. This also means I lose subs because of it, it usually ends up being catch and release.) If I have to pin or lock someone down for as long as I can to tire them out before I can do something effective due to my slower pace, I will. If I have to let them work and do a defense only round because I know I'll hurt myself if I try to keep their pace, I will. This mindset is a relatively recently bit of acceptance on my part knowing that it's not going to get easier due to injuries and age. I've been redeveloping large portions of my game to favor restriction of their movement rather than big movements on my part, eg explosive sweeps. I wasn't sure about how I was doing until about two weeks ago I had a roll with a younger white belt early 20s kid who also did judo. Immediately spotted his osoto gari attempt, hopped out of it and pulled guard. Not fun. But it was safer. He tried some escapes, I kept myself small and defensive: even letting him out of closed guard instead of fighting to retain. He got side control, I was feeling kind of lame just blocking his attempts to mount and settling for locking each arm one at a time over doing any attempts at guard recovery until I realised he was panting heavily and I was breathing calmly. Managed to scoot him into place to do a kimura from bottom. It works. Not exciting. But it works. I save my energy for more trusted partners and kick it up a notch every now and then. Earlier on, the hard rolls I've had were fun, I miss them and the training partners who I got into scraps with. But I'm not an athlete or someone powered by the elixir of youth (TRT), so pragmatism must prevail.
Hey James, Being a 63 year old, 155lb whitebelt my life is spent in bad positions. I spend a vast majority of my rolls defending against the submissions. I can say, and I've been told by the higher belts I roll with, I am getting harder to submit. My "white belt" game is very simple, relax in bad positions and look for opportunities to escape and if I get top position I go to Kasa Gatame or reverse Kasa. Been in one tournament and used that and was successful. Working on expanding my offense. But, like you said, I don't do anything flashy, quick or explosive. But, I'm having a lot of fun and am working through the injuries. Nothing major yet!!! I'm addicted!!!
Black belt 1st degreePending
1 day(s) ago
The simplest advice I give to all my older students is to train at YOUR pace and not try to keep up with them youngins:)
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
1 day(s) ago
I started at a younger age, but I am 38 years old and I have been training for 17 years. I'm learning to have fun more and choose my battles wisely. There are days for hard rolls but for the most part I do my best to balance it with lighter more technical rolls as possible. Positional training and letting my partners put me in bad positions. One day at a time and use your time on the mats wisely. Always ask questions and seek clarity and understanding of every position.
Purple beltVerified
1 day(s) ago
It's definitely a lot harder the older we get. Choosing partners wisely, and playing possum sometimes is the best way to keep from injuries for sure!
Brown beltVerified
23 hour(s) ago
I can recommend 2 books in relation to the topic of being a matured or older grappler, independent if you start late or already have lots of mileage on the body because of training BJJ for a long time. The one book is from Rick Ellis, who is a blackbelt of Roy Dean and runs the channel on youtube "the art of skill" and hosts the "old grappler summit", who wrote the "Old Grappler Handbook - how to thrive in Jiu Jitsu over 40".
The other book is the one my friend Glenn Lambdin, 70 years of age and blackbelt with 2 artificial knee joints, BJJ Globetrotter and late starter of the art trainsitioning from Muay Thai to BJJ in his 50s, wrote: "the art of staying on the mats for life - confessions of an older grappler".
The thing is, and nobody can deny it, that people come in different sizes, ages, physical abilities and athletic profiles, plus other variables and prerequisites, like volume, frequency, intensity of training, hobbyist or professional, health restrictions or disabilities, etc....
To quote Rick in his book:"...you are a 48 year old purple belt with a bulging disc in your back, a demanding job, family obligations and you train twice a week. Yet somehow you expect to soundly defeat a 28 year old blue belt in his athletic prime with nothing but time and energy to train..."
i think there a lots of "older" guys, who will recognize themselves in it...
In the books you find some really good strategies to stay on the mat sustainable and thinking longevity, how you should train for that goal, what to avoid and especially how to think about training BJJ for longevity from the mental/ psychological perspective:
- what do the belts "really" mean: does every brown belt has to tap every belt below?? of course not!
_ the "Boyd belt" (there is a youtube video where Rener Gracie is talking about that)/ or 10/20 rule, shortly said age and weight matters a lot, like every 10 years and 20 pounds approximately equals one belt rank...
- Frequency, Volume, Intensity: Rick Ellis points out, that the reality for older grapplers is, that they sometimes only can choose two or only one of these, the older they get
- the "Ego": everyone has an ego...."the unhealthy ego gets you hurt, the healthy one gets you on the mat"
- tap early, tap often
-success, reimagined and redefined and the "comparison trap": .....Rick again writes about, for example "the 60 year old brown belt wondering wether he truely deserves the rank, gives his struggles against youth and athleticism ...the physiology is different, the recovery is different, the durability is different, the explosive capacity is different....
One sentence Rick wrote stood in my mind:"...Success after 40 isn't about being the best person in the room. It's about being the best version of yourself that your current reality allows. And if you can accept that, you'll discover that the the journey gets better over time.."
Of course these aren't excuses, but the correct context, Rick writes.: "Context prevents frustration. Context protects your ego from inventing stories that aren't true. The story your ego wants to tell:" i am terrible." the reality is you are fighting uphill against physics and physiology. And yet, you are still in the fight!"......
The books helped me a lot to change my perspective and accept the reality. I really could identify myself with a lot what the guys wrote in their books, especially what Rick Ellis wrote in the "old grappler handbook".
I still like to challenge myself and roll a lot, but i accepted that i am 50, just a hobbyist, training 3 session on a recreational level having a fulltime job, being a husband and father with other commitments to do, even with shifts working on weekend, struggling with Asthma, injuries etc....no excuses, but context......
-I tap more often and more early,
-i don't get frustrated if the 25 year old athletic bluebelt taps me or the 106kg Judo blackbelt with 29 years of experience in Judo, who fought in the 1st and 2nd Judo divisoin/league
-i don't think as a brownbelt i have to tap every belt level below me,
-i don't compare myself to other guys, but i compare myself with the "old" me, who started training bjj the first time more than a decade ago,
-i think about consistency and frequency, not higher intensity or more volume in relation to training
- i roll, but take a break every 3 or 4 rounds
- i don't roll when i don't feel to and just say "no" to people, if i am not in the mood or my body is aching
- i stop mid rolling, if my training partner thinks he would compete in the pan ams or ADCC with me, while i try to dial down the intensity and communicate it to my training partner....injuries can happen, but there are injuries you definitely can avoid in rolling
- i try to stay balanced, i sleep more, i drink more water, i eat healthier and cleaner (lost 10kg and feel way better)
- although i am passionate about jiu jitsu and i enjoy training and learning it very much, there are lots of other things i enjoy, so balance is very important for me, especially as a father, husband, working in the Law Enforcement environment 12 days in a row with 2 days off, etc...... life is short and you only have one.......... i am getting philosphical, sorry.
The other book is the one my friend Glenn Lambdin, 70 years of age and blackbelt with 2 artificial knee joints, BJJ Globetrotter and late starter of the art trainsitioning from Muay Thai to BJJ in his 50s, wrote: "the art of staying on the mats for life - confessions of an older grappler".
The thing is, and nobody can deny it, that people come in different sizes, ages, physical abilities and athletic profiles, plus other variables and prerequisites, like volume, frequency, intensity of training, hobbyist or professional, health restrictions or disabilities, etc....
To quote Rick in his book:"...you are a 48 year old purple belt with a bulging disc in your back, a demanding job, family obligations and you train twice a week. Yet somehow you expect to soundly defeat a 28 year old blue belt in his athletic prime with nothing but time and energy to train..."
i think there a lots of "older" guys, who will recognize themselves in it...
In the books you find some really good strategies to stay on the mat sustainable and thinking longevity, how you should train for that goal, what to avoid and especially how to think about training BJJ for longevity from the mental/ psychological perspective:
- what do the belts "really" mean: does every brown belt has to tap every belt below?? of course not!
_ the "Boyd belt" (there is a youtube video where Rener Gracie is talking about that)/ or 10/20 rule, shortly said age and weight matters a lot, like every 10 years and 20 pounds approximately equals one belt rank...
- Frequency, Volume, Intensity: Rick Ellis points out, that the reality for older grapplers is, that they sometimes only can choose two or only one of these, the older they get
- the "Ego": everyone has an ego...."the unhealthy ego gets you hurt, the healthy one gets you on the mat"
- tap early, tap often
-success, reimagined and redefined and the "comparison trap": .....Rick again writes about, for example "the 60 year old brown belt wondering wether he truely deserves the rank, gives his struggles against youth and athleticism ...the physiology is different, the recovery is different, the durability is different, the explosive capacity is different....
One sentence Rick wrote stood in my mind:"...Success after 40 isn't about being the best person in the room. It's about being the best version of yourself that your current reality allows. And if you can accept that, you'll discover that the the journey gets better over time.."
Of course these aren't excuses, but the correct context, Rick writes.: "Context prevents frustration. Context protects your ego from inventing stories that aren't true. The story your ego wants to tell:" i am terrible." the reality is you are fighting uphill against physics and physiology. And yet, you are still in the fight!"......
The books helped me a lot to change my perspective and accept the reality. I really could identify myself with a lot what the guys wrote in their books, especially what Rick Ellis wrote in the "old grappler handbook".
I still like to challenge myself and roll a lot, but i accepted that i am 50, just a hobbyist, training 3 session on a recreational level having a fulltime job, being a husband and father with other commitments to do, even with shifts working on weekend, struggling with Asthma, injuries etc....no excuses, but context......
-I tap more often and more early,
-i don't get frustrated if the 25 year old athletic bluebelt taps me or the 106kg Judo blackbelt with 29 years of experience in Judo, who fought in the 1st and 2nd Judo divisoin/league
-i don't think as a brownbelt i have to tap every belt level below me,
-i don't compare myself to other guys, but i compare myself with the "old" me, who started training bjj the first time more than a decade ago,
-i think about consistency and frequency, not higher intensity or more volume in relation to training
- i roll, but take a break every 3 or 4 rounds
- i don't roll when i don't feel to and just say "no" to people, if i am not in the mood or my body is aching
- i stop mid rolling, if my training partner thinks he would compete in the pan ams or ADCC with me, while i try to dial down the intensity and communicate it to my training partner....injuries can happen, but there are injuries you definitely can avoid in rolling
- i try to stay balanced, i sleep more, i drink more water, i eat healthier and cleaner (lost 10kg and feel way better)
- although i am passionate about jiu jitsu and i enjoy training and learning it very much, there are lots of other things i enjoy, so balance is very important for me, especially as a father, husband, working in the Law Enforcement environment 12 days in a row with 2 days off, etc...... life is short and you only have one.......... i am getting philosphical, sorry.
White beltVerified
19 hour(s) ago
I can recommend 2 books in relation to the topic of being a matured or older grappler, independent if you start late or already have lots of mileage on the body because of training BJJ for a long time. The one book is from Rick Ellis, who is a blackbelt of Roy Dean and runs the channel on youtube "the art of skill" and hosts the "old grappler summit", who wrote the "Old Grappler Handbook - how to thrive in Jiu Jitsu over 40". The other book is the one my friend Glenn Lambdin, 70 years of age and blackbelt with 2 artificial knee joints, BJJ Globetrotter and late starter of the art trainsitioning from Muay Thai to BJJ in his 50s, wrote: "the art of staying on the mats for life - confessions of an older grappler". The thing is, and nobody can deny it, that people come in different sizes, ages, physical abilities and athletic profiles, plus other variables and prerequisites, like volume, frequency, intensity of training, hobbyist or professional, health restrictions or disabilities, etc.... To quote Rick in his book:"...you are a 48 year old purple belt with a bulging disc in your back, a demanding job, family obligations and you train twice a week. Yet somehow you expect to soundly defeat a 28 year old blue belt in his athletic prime with nothing but time and energy to train..." i think there a lots of "older" guys, who will recognize themselves in it... In the books you find some really good strategies to stay on the mat sustainable and thinkink longevity, how you should train for that goal, what to avoid and especially how to think about training BJJ for longevity from the mental/ psychological perspective: - what do the belts "really" mean: does every brown belt hast to tap every belt below?? of course not! _ the "Boyd belt"/ or 10/20 rule, shortly said age and weight matters a lot, like every 10 years and 20 pounds approximately equals one belt rank... - Frequency, Volume, Intensity: Rick Ellis points out, that the reality for older grapplers is, that they sometimes only can choose two or only one of these, the older you are - the "Ego": everyone has an ego...."the unhealthy ego gets you hurt, the healthy one gets you on the mat" - tap early, tap often -success, reimagined and redefined and the "comparison trap": .....Rick again writes about, for example "the 60 year old brown belt wondering wether he truely deserves the rank, gives his struggles against youth and athleticism ...the physiology is different, the recovery is different, the durability is different, the explosive capacity is different.... One sentence Rick wrote stodd in my mind:"...Success after 40 isn't about being the best person in the room. It's about being the best version of yourself that your current reality allows. And if you can accept that, you'll discover that the the journey gets better over time.." Of course there aren't excuses, but the correct context, Rick writes.: "Context prevents frustration. Context protects your ego from inventing stories that aren't true. The story your ego wants to tell:" i am terrible." the reality is you are fighting uphill against physics and physiology. And yet, you are still in the fight!"...... The books helped me a lot to change my perspective and accept the reality. I really could identify myself with a lot what the guys wrote in their books, especially what Rick Ellis wrote in the "old grappler handbook". I still like to challenge myself and roll a lot, but i accepted that i am 50, just a hobbyist, training 3 session on a recreational level having a fulltime job, being a husband and father with other commitments to do, even with shifts working on weekend, struggling with Asthma, injuries etc....no excuses, but context...... -I tap more often and more early, -i don't get frustrated if the 25 year old athletic bluebelt taps me or the 106kg Judo blackbelt with 29 years of Judo in the 1st and 2nd Judo league -i don't think as a brownbelt i have to tap every belt level below me, -i don't compare myself to other guys, but i compare myself with the "old" me, who started training bjj the first time more than a decade ago, -i think about frequency, not intensity or volume - i roll, but take a break every 3 or 4 rounds - i don't roll when i don't feel to and just say "no" to people if i am not in the mood or my body is aching - i try to stay balanced, i sleep more, i drink more water, i eat healthier and cleaner (lost 10kg and feel way better) - although i am passionate about jiu jitsu and i enjoy training and learning it very much, there are lots of other things i enjoy, so balance is very important for me, especially as a father, husband, working in the Law Enforcement environment 12 days in a row with 2 days off, etc...... life is short and you only have one.......... i am getting philosphical, sorry.
Mirco, Thanks for the recommendations!! I'll pick up those books. I listen to Rick's YouTube channel and want to attend one of his Old Grapplers Seminars one day. As you so wisely stated, you can't judge yourself against the 20-30 year old practitioners. At 63 I can't even keep up with the 43 year old college wrestler, even though we are both white belts. My body doesn't more that quickly anymore and I've accepted that. But, it is still fun rolling with him. I try to focus on how I'm improving each day. As long as I see my improvement I'm happy. Thanks again for the advice!!!
Brown beltVerified
18 hour(s) ago
Mirco, Thanks for the recommendations!! I'll pick up those books. I listen to Rick's YouTube channel and want to attend one of his Old Grapplers Seminars one day. As you so wisely stated, you can't judge yourself against the 20-30 year old practitioners. At 63 I can't even keep up with the 43 year old college wrestler, even though we are both white belts. My body doesn't more that quickly anymore and I've accepted that. But, it is still fun rolling with him. I try to focus on how I'm improving each day. As long as I see my improvement I'm happy. Thanks again for the advice!!!
William, that's the right mindeset you have in my opinion. Rick writes about what his definiton of success and improvement is and looks like as an older grappler, and guess what, it's not tapping the 26 year old college wrestler when you are in your sixties, but more things like, if you were able to execute a specific technique with better timing or did you last longer before getting tapped, etc....
also tipps about strength and conditioning, proper breathing, etc...
I follow Rick's channel too and in my opinion it's a great channel!
Stay safe and have fun
also tipps about strength and conditioning, proper breathing, etc...
I follow Rick's channel too and in my opinion it's a great channel!
Stay safe and have fun
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
10 hour(s) ago
Hello all, I started jiu jitsu at 63. I just received my second stripe on my white belt. I'm curious how many of us started late in life and how do you adjust to "old man" jiu jitsu as I call it. Also, just had my first competition in Albuquerque. How many of us compete. I'm looking forward to my next tournament.
One resource I can add to your list to study is the Defensive BJJ (https://www.defensivebjj.com) by Priit Mihkelson.
Personally, it has transformed my appreciation and enjoyment for BJJ. One of my students coined this as their "shield" in their game. If you always find yourself in bad positions and want to know what to do there, this is one resource you can't ignore.
Personally, it has transformed my appreciation and enjoyment for BJJ. One of my students coined this as their "shield" in their game. If you always find yourself in bad positions and want to know what to do there, this is one resource you can't ignore.
White beltVerified
8 hour(s) ago
One resource I can add to your list to study is the Defensive BJJ (https://www.defensivebjj.com) by Priit Mihkelson. Personally, it has transformed my appreciation and enjoyment for BJJ. One of my students coined this as their "shield" in their game. If you always find yourself in bad positions and want to know what to do there, this is one resource you can't ignore.
Thanks Vince, I will take a look at the website. I'm always open to ways to improve my game!!!


