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Best take downs for guys and gals with bad hips / mobility, and for neutralizing wrestling techniques

2 year(s) ago • 1207 views • 17 replies

Jacob Harrod
Jacob Harrod
Blue beltVerified10 forum posts375/200
2 year(s) ago
Hello everyone,

I am writing to inquire about the best take downs I could use as a person who currently suffers from bad mobility with my hips due to age and some unknown issues that I am working on getting diagnosed. I feel like Bambi on my feet. I would like to also figure out some good take downs to neutralize some of these wrestling techniques these guys are using on me like quickly circling around and such. I also have a brain injury so I don't like getting slammed to the ground when I can avoid it. I have troubles changing levels quickly, and it's tough to do drop steps effectively enough to catch a single or double leg. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Deepu
Deepu
Black beltVerified547 forum posts6260/1000
2 year(s) ago
Have you considered pulling guard? :P

One I love is pulling to deep half which often leads to a sweep straight away as I want my opponent to post both their hands on the floor so that I can come up. Best example I can find is this, but I try to get both hands on the cross collar and pull them into a deep half.

https://www.youtube.com/w[...]YV3dZkWOfM
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
2 year(s) ago
My hips are trash. I've already had one surgery on one of them, and I'll most likely need a double replacement within the next 2-8 years.

When my hips were young and fresh, I was a college wrestler, so most of my bjj takedowns initially were wrestler based, but now I do more sacrifice throws to help, in part, to mitigate my hip issues.

My go-tos are sumi gaeshi, koshi guruma, harai goshi and o soto gari. I know those last 3 aren't sacrifice throws, but they might as well be, since I have no problem falling down and paying guard if they're countered.

Also, I would second Deepu's suggestion to learn to pull guard, since you're just gonna have to, if your hips suck.
Joe Cavett
Joe Cavett
Purple beltVerified433 forum posts4005/400
2 year(s) ago
My takedowns are terrible for the same reason and I suck at pulling guard. I've adopted the practice of pulling side control, knee on belly, or mount and learning to fight from a bad position.
Jacob Harrod
Jacob HarrodOP
Blue beltVerified10 forum posts375/200
2 year(s) ago
My takedowns are terrible for the same reason and I suck at pulling guard. I've adopted the practice of pulling side control, knee on belly, or mount and learning to fight from a bad position.
Thank you sir.
Matthew Garrett
Matthew Garrett
Black beltVerified47 forum posts3430/1000
2 year(s) ago
Had similar hip issues in the past. There’s tons of options but this is what worked for me. I’d use underhook control to take the back using a duck under, arm drag, slide by, etc. Not much bending required. Any takedown from standing back control works but depends on your opponent’s position. If the standing back take fails it’s only a short distance to your opponent’s lead leg. Snatch high single was another good option for the hip impaired. Explore all high single options. Please for heavens sake don’t pull guard.
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David Wienert
David Wienert
Black beltVerified7 forum posts1290/1000
2 year(s) ago
Sumi Gaeshi is a good one. There are different versions but when a wrestler gets single leg control it can be a useful option. As long as the butterfly hook is in, arms control kimura grip on opponents arm, then it flows into throw or take down. It doesn’t require great strength and can give kimura retention after takedown for a advantageous position.
James Jones
James Jones
Black beltVerified1309 forum posts6475/1000
2 year(s) ago
Hello everyone, I am writing to inquire about the best take downs I could use as a person who currently suffers from bad mobility with my hips due to age and some unknown issues that I am working on getting diagnosed. I feel like Bambi on my feet. I would like to also figure out some good take downs to neutralize some of these wrestling techniques these guys are using on me like quickly circling around and such. I also have a brain injury so I don't like getting slammed to the ground when I can avoid it. I have troubles changing levels quickly, and it's tough to do drop steps effectively enough to catch a single or double leg. Any help would be much appreciated.
Sacrifice Throws are the way to go.

Extremely easy in the GI. Million ways to sacrifice in the GI.

In Nogi you can basically pull what I really only know how to describe as a mid air butterfly guard sacrifice throw. Just literally grab your opponent and use your foot to get a hook behind their knee and start to fall back towards the ground to your butt and toss them over you and roll up on them. lol All you need to do is just get your opponent to put weight on you or you make them put their weight on top of you.
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Ryan Gabey
Ryan Gabey
Black belt 1st degreeVerified184 forum posts5925/1000
2 year(s) ago
Oof this is a tough one. Bad hips pretty much make take downs a no go. Depending on your level of mobility, your hips may inhibit you from changing levels for wresting, making quick turns for "judo style" turn throws, and foot sweeps require a lot of mobility and agility as well. I'm not one to usually advocate pulling guard, but if your mobility is that bad, this may be your only option. With that being said....

Many people who pull guard do so with just the intent of being in guard, with no plan on what they want to do until AFTER they get situated and comfortable in their guard. This is bad. When you pull guard, you should pull with intent! If you want to end up on top, pull "guard" By doing a sacrifice throw such as tomoei nage or sumi gaeshi. (Plenty of great tutorials on youtube for these, i'm a big fan of Red and white belt Judoka Shintaro Higashi as his teaching is very thorough and he's also a bjj black belt. He has a good understanding of the differences and how to adapt our two styles. He has a very in depth video on this.
If you plan to be a guard player, i suggest Closed guard or half guard as your main go to options because they will slow down the pace and not require as much drastic and dynamic hip movement in comparison to lasso, spider, de la riva, etc.

At the end of the day only you can say exactly what your physical limitations are and where you have to place your limits. Test yourself in drilling and see what moves are plausible for you and which aren't. I wish you the best of luck Sir!
Michael Karam
Michael Karam
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified34 forum posts2385/1000
2 year(s) ago
arm drags and snap down to a front headlock. Relatively low risk but high percentage of bringing it to the ground without shooting under someone or trying to throw them.
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-Zhang
Purple beltVerified661 forum posts2020/400
2 year(s) ago
Hello everyone, I am writing to inquire about the best take downs I could use as a person who currently suffers from bad mobility with my hips due to age and some unknown issues that I am working on getting diagnosed. I feel like Bambi on my feet. I would like to also figure out some good take downs to neutralize some of these wrestling techniques these guys are using on me like quickly circling around and such. I also have a brain injury so I don't like getting slammed to the ground when I can avoid it. I have troubles changing levels quickly, and it's tough to do drop steps effectively enough to catch a single or double leg. Any help would be much appreciated.
I'm in a similar situation where I have no hope of level changing fast enough against my younger team mates. What i've found really effective is to use a Greco-Roman stance and pummel vigorously for underhooks
Coach Dave
Coach Dave
Blue beltVerified5 forum posts395/200
11 month(s) ago
I think that the single leg is the single most versatile takedown system. You can enter it from underhooks, arm drags, tight waist or bodylock configutations. You dont have to shoot to enter the single leg if you have mobility issues.

A single leg control also allows you to apply asymetric pressure to your opponent which is an important aspect of effective grappling.

The best single leg configuration I have found is when you are able to pinch their leg between your legs and take control of their far hip with your outside arm.

This creates diagonal control points which limits your opponents ability to rotate/escape.

Once you have established this control position its a matter of pushing/pulling/rotating your opponent then when they react using their own force to take them to the ground.

Hope this helps.
Justin Ungar
Justin Ungar
Black beltVerified269 forum posts4385/1000
11 month(s) ago
My lower back is often suspect. relying back on my heavy wrestling background when I'm feeling physically compromised is a bad habit, but its helped me develop a series of techniques that work when I'm in pain.
I support the idea of armdrags.
I support the single leg attacks. especially to the pinch where you can go either way to run the pipe or drag out to a schultz double.
My go to is a basic snapdown from collar tie.
I can snap all the way to the ground and control from front headlock.
I can snap down halfway to a standing front headlock.
I can feint the snapdown to encourage an overreaction that will open a blast double leg.
I can feint the snapdown to encourage an overreaction that will open a bodylock.

Just a lot of options from that that doesn't require much extra mobility.
Shaun Mayo
Shaun Mayo
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified12 forum posts2040/1000
11 month(s) ago
My knees are older than I am and doing a lot of takedowns can cause my back to stiffen up like plywood so I tend to go with a lot of de ashi barai, tani otoshi and yoko gaki type moves. It is fun to have some moves like that to catch people off guard. You may not be getting a wrestler to their back but you can keep them guessing while saving your back for the drive home and the morning shift.

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